[Ben Franklin]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Closing the border gates does not seem to be reducing the amount of illegals entering. Yes, the border is open.

When you go to the border and take an unedited video, then I might believe you.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Not likely. From Politifact

information from Global Research, a Canadian website run by the Centre for Research on Globalization, which was accused by NATO of posting conspiracy theories, spreading Russian disinformation and undermining Western media.

The post specifically looks at vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna and AstraZeneca, offering a breakdown of the different injuries and deaths purportedly associated with each vaccine using numbers from a European Union-maintained database called EudraVigilance.

The implication is the COVID-19 vaccines are harmful and could result in injury or death.

However, the numbers are taken out of context to exaggerate the risk of vaccines.

The EudraVigilance database itself cautions the information it collects is for "suspected side effects ... but which are not necessarily related to our caused by the medicine."

"Information on suspected side effects should not be interpreted as meaning that the medicine or the active substance causes the observed effect or is unsafe to use," EudraVigilance’s website says. "Only a detailed evaluation and scientific assessment of all available data allows for robust conclusions to be drawn on the benefits and risks of a medicine."

Taking the raw data of possible COVID-19 vaccination reactions at face value and using them without context is an oft-used tactic by people attempting to undermine public confidence in the vaccines, according to the New York Times. They frequently interpret the numbers from EudraVigilance or from its United States counterpart, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, as evidence of the vaccines’ dangers.:

All that data is just garbage until edited then...ok

[drducat]

Originally Posted by drducat

All that data is just garbage until edited then...ok

Phizer just finished it's study and nervous system disorders numbers are in the 130,000 ish range ....not sure why.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Not likely. From Politifact

information from Global Research, a Canadian website run by the Centre for Research on Globalization, which was accused by NATO of posting conspiracy theories, spreading Russian disinformation and undermining Western media.

The post specifically looks at vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna and AstraZeneca, offering a breakdown of the different injuries and deaths purportedly associated with each vaccine using numbers from a European Union-maintained database called EudraVigilance.

The implication is the COVID-19 vaccines are harmful and could result in injury or death.

However, the numbers are taken out of context to exaggerate the risk of vaccines.

The EudraVigilance database itself cautions the information it collects is for "suspected side effects ... but which are not necessarily related to our caused by the medicine."

"Information on suspected side effects should not be interpreted as meaning that the medicine or the active substance causes the observed effect or is unsafe to use," EudraVigilance’s website says. "Only a detailed evaluation and scientific assessment of all available data allows for robust conclusions to be drawn on the benefits and risks of a medicine."

Taking the raw data of possible COVID-19 vaccination reactions at face value and using them without context is an oft-used tactic by people attempting to undermine public confidence in the vaccines, according to the New York Times. They frequently interpret the numbers from EudraVigilance or from its United States counterpart, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, as evidence of the vaccines’ dangers.:

Thanks for shedding light on that issue. The US is drowning in a sea of misinformation. It IS difficult for the average person (myself included) to find truth when there are many (very clever) panderers of sophisticated misinformation. Kudos!

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by Ben Franklin

When you go to the border and take an unedited video, then I might believe you.

No need for ME to go to the border since videos of hundreds of crossers several times a day is available IF you wish to search for it on the Web. If you look for it you might even find some live feeds of them crossing. Besides, since when do we worry about those crossing at our entry points? It's the illegal aliens we are concerned about and they are not being stopped by an invisible border. Building the wall was stopped you know.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Well THAT took a while!

The link takes you to the OPENVAERS website which performs pulls and summarizes the data. The website shows 11,904 deaths which is much higher than expected.

Took some time to track that down and match it to the VAERS date. The OPENVAERS website is showing deaths from the entire world, not just the US (about 5,600 reported).

Putting aside the significant correlation/causation question, *IF* these could be attributed to the vaccine then:

11,904 deaths out of 4.32B doses gives a vaccine death rate of 0.000276%
4,262,000 deaths out of 201,000,000 cases gives a covid death rate of 2.12%

You are 7,700 times more likely to die from covid than from being vaccinated.

Thanks for putting that data in an understandable % form and having a conclusion.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by drducat

Phizer just finished it's study and nervous system disorders numbers are in the 130,000 ish range ....not sure why.

Neurological disorders have been found in children that have had the CV disease - not from the vaccine. And sorry, IMO that 130,000 number looks large for whatever it was supposed to mean. In general, I find your posts to be either confused or confusing to me?

[jcaspary]

Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy

With soaring COVID cases and hospitalizations, the Governor thinks now is a good time to withdraw funding from schools if they mandate masks? First of all, it is the kids money, not his and secondly punishment for attempting to prevent disease? What a political clown.

Please go back to New York and your great Governor

[Aldeano Feliz]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

How about we vote on illegal immigration as part of the next election!

We did! (...in at least the last two presidential elections)

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by jcaspary

Please go back to New York and your great Governor

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[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

How about we vote on illegal immigration as part of the next election!

How about ENFORCING the existing laws which state that it is ILLEGAL to enter our country without going through an entry point? How about we charge employers with a crime if they hire illegal aliens? My family was inoculated at Ellis Island when they immigrated to America. It was a requirement. What changed?

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy

With soaring COVID cases and hospitalizations, the Governor thinks now is a good time to withdraw funding from schools if they mandate masks? First of all, it is the kids money, not his and secondly punishment for attempting to prevent disease? What a political clown.

I did not know kids pay property tax used to fund schools. When did that happen?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

How about ENFORCING the existing laws which state that it is ILLEGAL to enter our country without going through an entry point? How about we charge employers with a crime if they hire illegal aliens? My family was inoculated at Ellis Island when they immigrated to America. It was a requirement. What changed?

You left out, "it is illegal unless you are seeking asylum and turn yourself into the first border guard you see".

Second, I totally and completely agree with you - if we would start enforcing laws that make it illegal to hire undocumented aliens, so a few CEOs get BIG fines and prison time. I think the jobs for them would dry up and crossing into the US would look less attractive.

Even if they still come, at least the rich CEOs making money off them would be punished for breaking the laws.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by Cobullymom

I had Covid and I wasn’t vaccinated, and I’m not young, nor old, nor dead, I’m actually doing fine…people and their fear mongering…never ends

sample size 1, statistically not a valid sample size.

The problem with humans and social media, is that they believe that sample size of 1 from a friend or relative or poster is a statistically valid view point to support their beliefs. . . there is a virologist doctor in MA whose mother in law believes the sample size of 1 over the researcher highly educated doctor. . .

A book called "Death of Expertise" studies this phenomena and does support the conclusion that yes, a layperson can be right when the educated/expert is wrong, BUT the educated will be right much, much more often than the layperson is right

look at lots of data, large sample sizes, not the same answers at all, but the human brain has a hard time processing small non zero probabilities. . . due to the the cognitive bias of over optimism
http://25cognitivebiases.com/bias-13...optimism-bias/

link through twitter of a covid hospitalization self documentation https://twitter.com/i/status/1423260524637298689
a non believer until it happens to him personally. . .

you can learn from others or you can learn from experience, in this case i choose to learn from others. . . the experience might not end the way i want. . .

data guy

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Just a tad late...

Plus, many have been refusing vaccinations...

If they refuse vaccination, send them back where they came from. PERIOD!