[Gray lady of the sea]

Thank you so much for your common sense. Attacking people doesn’t ever work

[McGyver9]

I haven't read all 12 pages of expert replies, but I'm wondering if anyone considered the FACT that Florida is one of the LARGEST summer vacation destinations?

Doesn't your COMMON SENSE tell you that all of these people coming from EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY, bouncing through numerous airports, might cause a spike?
How about all of your kids/grandkids coming HERE, in the SAME fashion?
I remember seeing lots of little kids HERE, at the HEIGHT of the pre-vaccine Rona.

My friend up in Perry FL (retired Tampa PD) with his OWN eyes, saw a bus load of illegals dropped off at his local wallymart to do some shopping.
Bet THEY are all vaccinated... (Eyeroll)
They've been sharing the air for a 4 state drive....in a bus....that isn't equipped with hepafiltering air scrubbers.. ONE family would infect that 40+ passenger bus...then they wander Wal-Mart, and every OTHER place they ate, slept, used the bathroom on the way.

How thick ARE people?

But it's people who didn't get the vaccinations fault....
Hmmm

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by McGyver9

I haven't read all 12 pages of expert replies, but I'm wondering if anyone considered the FACT that Florida is one of the LARGEST summer vacation destinations?

Doesn't your COMMON SENSE tell you that all of these people coming from EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY, bouncing through numerous airports, might cause a spike?
How about all of your kids/grandkids coming HERE, in the SAME fashion?
I remember seeing lots of little kids HERE, at the HEIGHT of the pre-vaccine Rona.

My friend up in Perry FL (retired Tampa PD) with his OWN eyes, saw a bus load of illegals dropped off at his local wallymart to do some shopping.
Bet THEY are all vaccinated... (Eyeroll)
They've been sharing the air for a 4 state drive....in a bus....that isn't equipped with hepafiltering air scrubbers.. ONE family would infect that 40+ passenger bus...then they wander Wal-Mart, and every OTHER place they ate, slept, used the bathroom on the way.

How thick ARE people?

But it's people who didn't get the vaccinations fault....
Hmmm

THAT is correct. There are an many more Americans un-vaccinated than illegal immigrants. That is just pure simple numbers but it stands to reason un-vaxxed Americans pose much more of a threat than the illegal immigrants.

Originally Posted by coffeebean

THAT is correct. There are an many more Americans un-vaccinated than illegal immigrants. That is just pure simple numbers but it stands to reason un-vaxxed Americans pose much more of a threat than the illegal immigrants.

It’s the illegal immigrants bringing NEW variants from South America that are the problem. They are released infected and bussed to unannounced areas of the country and seed the new variants.
——————-
In early 2021, the Gamma variant began to spread beyond Brazil, especially in border cities in Peru, Chile, and Uruguay. By February, 80 percent of cases in the Uruguayan border city of Rivera, were identified as the Gamma variant. Nationally, that number was just 15 percent of sequenced cases at the time. By June, nine out of 10 sequenced cases in Uruguay were of the Gamma variant.

Experts vary on why the Gamma variant has been so prolific. Some believe that it has a contagion rate twice that of the original strain of the disease. Others posit that it is Gamma's high reinfection rate that's driven cases upward. One study found that one in six of those infected with the coronavirus in Manaus was reinfected by Gamma. As a result, many countries both inside and outside of Latin America banned travel from Brazil and other affected countries.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by John41

It’s the illegal immigrants bringing NEW variants from South America that are the problem. They are released infected and bussed to unannounced areas of the country and seed the new variants.
——————-
In early 2021, the Gamma variant began to spread beyond Brazil, especially in border cities in Peru, Chile, and Uruguay. By February, 80 percent of cases in the Uruguayan border city of Rivera, were identified as the Gamma variant. Nationally, that number was just 15 percent of sequenced cases at the time. By June, nine out of 10 sequenced cases in Uruguay were of the Gamma variant.

Experts vary on why the Gamma variant has been so prolific. Some believe that it has a contagion rate twice that of the original strain of the disease. Others posit that it is Gamma's high reinfection rate that's driven cases upward. One study found that one in six of those infected with the coronavirus in Manaus was reinfected by Gamma. As a result, many countries both inside and outside of Latin America banned travel from Brazil and other affected countries.

It is the unvaccinated that are the problem, full stop. Whether they be the relative handful that are coming across the border or the 100 million that were already here, it is the unvaccinated that are the problem.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by John41

It’s the illegal immigrants bringing NEW variants from South America that are the problem. They are released infected and bussed to unannounced areas of the country and seed the new variants.
——————-
In early 2021, the Gamma variant began to spread beyond Brazil, especially in border cities in Peru, Chile, and Uruguay. By February, 80 percent of cases in the Uruguayan border city of Rivera, were identified as the Gamma variant. Nationally, that number was just 15 percent of sequenced cases at the time. By June, nine out of 10 sequenced cases in Uruguay were of the Gamma variant.

Experts vary on why the Gamma variant has been so prolific. Some believe that it has a contagion rate twice that of the original strain of the disease. Others posit that it is Gamma's high reinfection rate that's driven cases upward. One study found that one in six of those infected with the coronavirus in Manaus was reinfected by Gamma. As a result, many countries both inside and outside of Latin America banned travel from Brazil and other affected countries.

All the more reason every American who can should get themselves vaccinated.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by McGyver9

I haven't read all 12 pages of expert replies, but I'm wondering if anyone considered the FACT that Florida is one of the LARGEST summer vacation destinations?

Doesn't your COMMON SENSE tell you that all of these people coming from EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY, bouncing through numerous airports, might cause a spike?
How about all of your kids/grandkids coming HERE, in the SAME fashion?
I remember seeing lots of little kids HERE, at the HEIGHT of the pre-vaccine Rona.

My friend up in Perry FL (retired Tampa PD) with his OWN eyes, saw a bus load of illegals dropped off at his local wallymart to do some shopping.
Bet THEY are all vaccinated... (Eyeroll)
They've been sharing the air for a 4 state drive....in a bus....that isn't equipped with hepafiltering air scrubbers.. ONE family would infect that 40+ passenger bus...then they wander Wal-Mart, and every OTHER place they ate, slept, used the bathroom on the way.

How thick ARE people?

But it's people who didn't get the vaccinations fault....
Hmmm

Well, if EVERY person that came into FL was vaccinated, then COMMON SENSE would say there would be no more cases because of them. (Or VERY FEW).

So, yeah, it's the un-vaccinated.

Hmmm...

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

It is the unvaccinated that are the problem, full stop. Whether they be the relative handful that are coming across the border or the 100 million that were already here, it is the unvaccinated that are the problem.

You make a good point.

Let's say that a million come across the border. And let's say NONE of them accept the offered vaccinations - just to have one less point to nitpick.

If we have 100 million (maybe more?) Americans unvaccinated the immigrants will make up 1% of the unvaccinated.

It seems a LOT of people here feel stopping that 1% is our top priority - while the 99% are a bigger problem.

Maybe, just maybe it isn't that they are unvaccinated, it is that they are here illegally? So wrapping that up in a COVID bow, is how to sneak politics into a COVID thread?

Hmmm...

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

You make a good point.

Let's say that a million come across the border. And let's say NONE of them accept the offered vaccinations - just to have one less point to nitpick.

If we have 100 million (maybe more?) Americans unvaccinated the immigrants will make up 1% of the unvaccinated.

It seems a LOT of people here feel stopping that 1% is our top priority - while the 99% are a bigger problem.

Maybe, just maybe it isn't that they are unvaccinated, it is that they are here illegally? So wrapping that up in a COVID bow, is how to sneak politics into a COVID thread?

Hmmm...

It's not politics unless YOU are making it so. If ONE illegal that is infected comes into the country, that is just one more INFECTED that should not have been here to begin with. If we had enforced the laws, that person would not be infecting and passing on the virus. It has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with how many non-vaccinated CITIZENS are here. The ONLY politics involved would be why the laws are not being enforced. And that is a leadership problem, not a political one.



About 40% of our population is children under 12 years of age. They CANNOT be vaccinated yet. Over 70% (exact number is give or take a few)of adults in our country have at been vaccinated. That leaves about 30% of the adults that still haven't been vaccinated. According to the CDC Approx. 35% of US citizens have been infected with COVID. About 38% of adults have not been vaccinated and about 58% of children 12-17 have not been vaccinated.

So, if 35% of adults have been infected with the virus and have been told NOT to get vaccinated, that leaves only about 3% of the adults still unvaccinated that probably should consider getting their shots. To be honest with you, I think that children unless they have medical issues that indicate a need for protection should wait on getting vaccinated. So far children are in most cases handling the virus very well.

So 3% of adults still need to be vaccinated. I don't know the figures but that is probably a lower number than those that DON'T get the flu shot every year. I know that some of the resident experts will argue with my reasoning but I am just looking at this from an average citizen's view, not a medical professional or scientist. We all know that numbers can be manipulated.

[Ben Franklin]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

No need for ME to go to the border since videos of hundreds of crossers several times a day is available IF you wish to search for it on the Web. If you look for it you might even find some live feeds of them crossing. Besides, since when do we worry about those crossing at our entry points? It's the illegal aliens we are concerned about and they are not being stopped by an invisible border. Building the wall was stopped you know.

You mean cameras installed by the government who you don't trust, or cameras installed by people who may have an agenda? Cal me a Missourian.

[Ben Franklin]

Interesting that the Gov says parents should have the freedom to decide what's good for their children. Does that also mean parents can decide to not install child car safety seats? Shouldn't all of the taxpayers who actually pay for the education also have a say?

[Heyitsrick]

Originally Posted by Ben Franklin

You mean cameras installed by the government who you don't trust, or cameras installed by people who may have an agenda? Cal me a Missourian.

Would a TV resident who installed security cameras outside his/her home have an "agenda"? I think they would. Their agenda would be to monitor and protect their property. Citizens who see an unmitigated ingress of undocumented people across the southern border probably feel the same way. Call me an American.