[Waltdisney4life]

Same old bs!!!

[g142056]

You numbers are very misleading. When they figure COVID numbers it is based on number of people that have positive tests. The flu numbers are based on total population. You can use percentages, you can make percentages look good or bad depending on what your motive is so please don't use misleading numbers, this is the fear mongering the press does

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

More misinformation!

To really put it "in perspective" with the facts:

The hospital admission rate for COVID varies with age----2.5% ages 18-49, up to 17.2% age over 85, average 7.3%. Of those hospitalized, 15% died, could not get a breakdown by age, but WAY above 1%.

The hospitalization rate for seasonal influenza is 9.1/100,000 population or .0091%., and about 10% of Americans get the flu each year, so 0.091% vs. 7.3%
So your chances of ending up in the hospital with "the flu" is miniscule compared to COVID

I couldn't find an accurate number for the percentage of hospitalized flu cases that die, but we know the mortality rate year to year is about 0.1% of cases. The 15% deaths of 7.3% hospitalized COVID patients come to about 1%, or 10x as deadly as flu, which is in line with other known data

So bottom line, if that was hard to follow, is that you are MUCH MORE LIKELY to die of COVID than the flu.

PS: My numbers are all from the CDC especially MMWR. And yours?????

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by forebubba

Nearly 200,000 people are turned away at the border every month. It is not an open boarder for all. Why do they come here? What is the root problem?

The gates are not OPEN but the rest of the border IS OPEN. How many folks are turned down for visas to our country? Lots is the right answer. Our borders being open are telling folks that it is better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Ski Bum

Because if you die in a car wreck, and you test positive, you died from COVID. A bit of an exaggeration, yeah, but just a bit.

Okay, were will ignore the fact-checking of false attributions that has been done over and over.

30,000 deaths from auto accidents every year (roughly) so, if we say ALL of them are attributed to COVID and not drunk driving or running off clifts etc. Then, please explain away the other 570,000 COVID deaths.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

Anyone needing non-COVID hospital services are also suffering. Elective diagnostics and surgerys are delayed leading to non-COVID deaths.

Most cruel is the inability to visit loved ones in the hospital.

Last week I stated that elective surgeries were stopping at Florida hospitals and was "poo /pood" and ridiculed because of it. This week it is just an accepted fact. That shows just how FAST the situation is changing because of DELTA. And Florida's CV statistics show that the human-designed agencies paid for by taxpayers were inept and "asleep at the switch" when it comes to fulfilling their prime directive - namely to keep Floridians SAFE from all enemies-domestic or foreign - whether Virus-sized or larger. So, keep throwing your taxpayer money away on an inept product!

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Dond1959

If you are vaccinated your risk of hospitalization is very low, and your risk of death is very, very low. It is mainly younger, unvaccinated people going to the hospital and unfortunately dying. It is their choice to not be vaccinated at this time so they will suffer the consequences.

Sad, but so true.

[carlanddiane]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

Sad, but so true.

everyone should have the right to choose whether they get the vaccine or not but maybe they should be denied hospital treatment if they come down with a verified case of covid

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by John41

EXACTLY. Operation Warp Speed gave us two excellent vaccines but the rollout this year has been a disaster for lack of leadership and Covid infected illegal immigrants being seeded across the country.

"This is a guy who ran for office saying he’s going to shut down the virus," DeSantis added. "And what has he done? He’s imported more virus from around the world by having a wide open southern border."

My thought is the lack of true leadership from our wonderful governor of fl.
He has a big mouth that doesn't stop, just the wrong stuff comes out.
Case in point...look at these hospital numbers we are referencing and he doesn't care if the kids wear mask or not. I don't get him, I'm embarrassed for him. Then the pres says do it right or get out of the way and he replies with come get me....oh brother, for the love of god, and we wonder where the hostility comes from.....

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by carlanddiane

everyone should have the right to choose whether they get the vaccine or not but maybe they should be denied hospital treatment if they come down with a verified case of covid

Everyone should have the right to choose whether they overeat or not, but maybe they should be denied hospital treatment it they have health issues due to obesity…
I can continue to use other examples, but I would hope you get the point…

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by John41

EXACTLY. Operation Warp Speed gave us two excellent vaccines but the rollout this year has been a disaster for lack of leadership and Covid infected illegal immigrants being seeded across the country.

"This is a guy who ran for office saying he’s going to shut down the virus," DeSantis added. "And what has he done? He’s imported more virus from around the world by having a wide open southern border."

The rollout of the vaccines HAS been a disaster! Not because of the reason stated in the post, but due to the unpatriotic, unAmerican attitudes and actions of the anti-vaccine cult. This disaster was preventable. Vaccines were available to ALL adult Americans, but propaganda media sold almost 1/2 of America into NOT receiving the life-saving vaccines. Now late in the game, some are starting to pick life and vaccines over phony propaganda. And the DELTA variant says, "thanks for leaving the door wide open for me for so long".

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy

How about doing the humanity thing and vaccinate these immigrants? There’s more than enough vaccine that the southern states aren’t using.

I heard just yesterday they are.

[Timothyimitchell]

Originally Posted by john41

to put it in perspective if you are hospitalized with the flu you have a 7% chance of dying and about 1% with covid.

this

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by SilverRose

Florida now has 11,515 people hospitalized for Covid. This is a new record. Since Florida had a total population of 21.48 million. This means one in every 1865 Floridians is now hospitalized for Covid.

Despite record COVID-19 hospitalizations, Florida'''s governor says '''admissions have slowed'''

A better way to look at it is .0005% are in the hospital. And most never got the shots.

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Everyone should have the right to choose whether they overeat or not, but maybe they should be denied hospital treatment it they have health issues due to obesity…
I can continue to usze other examples, but I would hope you get the point…

I get what you are saying...but that is long term...this is different, it's a pandemic...they have the choice right now to choose the shot to prevent, they put their foot down and say no......ok...no soup for you......or else...you pay that hospital bill. Or.... since they feel it's just a flu type thing...stay home and nurse it yourself....either way...good luck

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

I get what you are saying...but that is long term...this is different, it's a pandemic...they have the choice right now to choose the shot to prevent, they put their foot down and say no......ok...no soup for you......or else...you pay that hospital bill. Or.... since they feel it's just a flu type thing...stay home and nurse it yourself....either way...good luck

So let’s try out your new twist. Smoking is okay because it’s long term, but if you walk outside in a thunderstorm and get hit by lightning - it’s your fault since you could have prevented it, and it’s short term…