[justjim]

Originally Posted by Swoop

130,000 have died WITH Covid, but how many have died FROM Covid. If you are wondering what constitutes a Covid death:
https://hoiabc.com/2020/04/20/idph-d...re-classified/

When some don’t like the numbers put out by various Government entities, the “conspiracy theories” and rumors always start. To some coronavirus will only be real when (God forbid) they happen to be one of the unlucky ones that catch it. What you can “take to the bank” is that our lives have been drastically changed because of coronavirus and it’s the kind of change we don’t like. Pray for a vaccine that works and gets things back to some kind of normal.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by PennBF

I just read that 143,000 were tested on Saturday which would support a 15,229 positive cases as it would be about 9.4% of those tested being positive. Interesting?

You don't know the actual positive test percentage unless all tests including negatives are reported. I don't know how long this has been going on but until problem is corrected state wide I will look at positive percentage rate with skepticism. The positive test number is probably accurate, but without all negative results reported the positive percentage is probably lower than what's reported.

[Sailohio]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

The percent of positive covid 19 tests for florida has been over 10% for last two weeks with a high 18% on July 8 and a low of 11% yesterday, July 11.

Attachment 85202

There is no doubt we have a lot of new cases here. However, the percent positive rate is an important barometer to judge the trends.

In the last few days people who scour the Florida coronavirus websites have noticed something peculiar.

Yesterday, July 11, 333 Florida labs reported 100% positivity on all their tests, which amounts to 3528 positives reported to the state with zero negatives. Another 31 labs reported 90-99% positive tests for a total of 1767 positives and very few negatives. Thats about 50% of all positives for the day. These results are not plausible when you have a statewide average of 10-15% positivity. These results skew the positive rate upward by several percentage points. Something is wrong with their reporting system if so many labs are not reporting their negative test results.

Hopefully some sharp reporters will get on this and try to find out what is happening.

Partial list:

Attachment 85203

So my son lives in Riverview, Fl., just outside of Tampa. Last week a TV News show reported the experiences of local hospital nurses. They too had noticed all of the swabs they sent to the labs were coming back positive. They had always had a large percentage of negatives. So they decided to do an experiment. They took two fresh swabs, never used. They made up fictitious patient names and sent them to their lab. They BOTH came back positive. How in the world can that happen? Is this politically motivated? Or is it a reflection of incompetence at the labs. Or is it driven by a crooked money grab by the hospital administrators. I don’t know but I do know not to trust the numbers we hear and read.

Also, we all know there are false positives. Are the false positives taken out of the infection numbers? I would guess not. How about the non-symptomatic positives? Are they subtracted? And if not, what is the percentage of non-symptomatic and false positive results?

I don’t believe a thing I read or hear anymore.

[Ga.dawg]

Yes it is considered a new case , had a friend test positive 3 times , he never had any symptoms, was self quarantined had to go back for retests and he was still counted as 3 positive cases

[BamaBoy451]

Originally Posted by Sailohio

So my son lives in Riverview, Fl., just outside of Tampa. Last week a TV News show reported the experiences of local hospital nurses. They too had noticed all of the swabs they sent to the labs were coming back positive. They had always had a large percentage of negatives. So they decided to do an experiment. They took two fresh swabs, never used. They made up fictitious patient names and sent them to their lab. They BOTH came back positive. How in the world can that happen? Is this politically motivated? Or is it a reflection of incompetence at the labs. Or is it driven by a crooked money grab by the hospital administrators. I don’t know but I do know not to trust the numbers we hear and read.

Also, we all know there are false positives. Are the false positives taken out of the infection numbers? I would guess not. How about the non-symptomatic positives? Are they subtracted? And if not, what is the percentage of non-symptomatic and false positive results?

I don’t believe a thing I read or hear anymore.

I recently overheard a man say he and his wife went to test but due to severe weather never got to actually test so they were considering another facility. They get a letter 6 days later they both tested positive and the results were forwarded to dept of health. They consulted with an attorney which was the right thing to do. There is so much fraud involved now.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Ga.dawg

Yes it is considered a new case , had a friend test positive 3 times , he never had any symptoms, was self quarantined had to go back for retests and he was still counted as 3 positive cases

That is just wrong!

[jrenschen]

Good eyes and thanks for pointing that out. It does not pass the smell test!

[huange@verizon.net]

I’m waiting until the number of positives cases reported in Florida outnumber Florida’s population.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by BamaBoy451

I recently overheard a man say he and his wife went to test but due to severe weather never got to actually test so they were considering another facility. They get a letter 6 days later they both tested positive and the results were forwarded to dept of health. They consulted with an attorney which was the right thing to do. There is so much fraud involved now.

This is so confusing to me. Do these testing sites get extra money for each positive result they get? Do the labs get extra money for positive results? I'm just wondering who would be benefiting from all of these alleged false positives?

The whole thing is just mind boggling and baffling to me.

[Marykschulz]

It’s sad that our great country has no idea of what to believe about Covid. Some leadership at the top is needed.

[schladb]

where did you get this information

[allsport]

The gov designed this mess and fired the person who was accurately reporting the testing because she would not fudge the numbers, using deductive reasoning the numbers are now far less than what is actually out there. The ME are not permitted to report a covid death on a patient that was not diagnosed while alive. That is insane. All this cheating in the numbers game and we are still the worst state in the union.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Yes, but are we not talking about the daily positive cases? Today Florida 15,300 positive cases according to Worldometer. This is how many people tested positive for Covid today. They may have tested positive yesterday too but why would they go again to be tested today? Maybe they didn’t believe the first test?

There is a lot of wheel-spinning going on here about fairly insignificant details. Are we taking a statistics class? What about the old saying about the " forest for the trees"? I am hard put to find value here? I guess it is STILL a free world, just not my "cup of tea"?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by petiteone

I wouldn't trust anything that comes from DeSantis. He wasn't counting non-residents, visitors, snow birds and many COVID 19 patients were categorized as pneumonia deaths which increased by 500% over 2019. He's more worried about pleasing Trump than taking care of Florida citizens. His data professional came forward to call out the mistakes and was then fired.

Yes, absolutely true.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

Over 1/2 million dead babies each and every year. That is also a fact. Facts are not political. Where is the outrage there?

Excuse me while I ignore all the hype (and not become outraged over 130,000 dead) and avail myself of my constitutional rights and go to the beach without a mask and make some Vitamin D.

The following are also facts:

Neither President Trump nor any governor or health official nor any other person elected or not have the authority to override or nullify any portion of the US Constitution regardless of any perceived or actual emergency. To wit:

14th amendment to the US Constitution:

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Therefore, there is no authority to force anyone to wear a mask or to fine anyone for failing to do so. Read that again, “no state shall make or enforce any law …”

Moderator: nothing but facts stated here. Some people don't like facts. That does not make them political.

So in the Villages, there should be zero speed bumps and we MUST rip out our seat belts.