Unbelievable! But I missed why George Floyd was being detained in the first place?

And yet here you are living large in an upscale part of town living the dream.. How often do security follow you around the mall assuming you're going to steal something? When/if a cop pulls you over how does it make you feel when he cuffs you and searches you for guns and weapons and then says just do what you're told we've had reports of an older "white" man in the area acting suspicious? When you see a cop behind you at a light do you worry you might be shot? How often do you get the police called on you because you look out of place in your own neighborhood? You ever have people move away from your area cause you moved in or get dirty looks for no reason and feel out of place every single day of your life? I too have had guns pointed at me and worked in very dangerous neighborhoods but always been able to separate myself from those threats and that's why I can't even imagine what it must be like to be black in many many places in America even today..

Gracie did you even watch the full video of George Floyd being suffocated to death? It's over 9 minutes of being held to the pavement, with a knee against part of the back/part of the side of your neck (which is where the carotid artery is located). The man could barely move AT ALL. He was handcuffed, the police report included that fact. He had already been handcuffed at the point where this video began. He was helpless to do much other than try to roll his shoulder so he could catch his breath. For nine minutes.

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This is National news and is a couple of days old already.

He was detained because he was suspected initially of passing a forged check, and subsequent reports say he was -actually- trying to use a fake $20 bill to pay for something at the store where that video took place.

In either case, George Floyd was not suspected of committing an act of violence or threat of violence. There was no need to hold him down on the ground AFTER being handcuffed with a knee to his neck for over 9 minutes.

A friend of mine back in our boating days was lawyer who defended a Ca. Highway Patrolman who was charged with using excessive force. The officer emptied a 38 spl revolver into a suspect who was high on "angel dust", he reloaded and put 5 more ads into the suspect . The officer was exonerated and after the trial the Ca. Highway Patrol went to 357 magnums as their duty weapon

But this case is totally different, none of the cops were in fear of their lives, the man wasn't resisting.

They should get the maximum penalty that the law provides in either state , federal courts and or both.

So why do you keep bringing up that drugs are involve in this case just about every one of your post in this thread?

Exactly, most LEOs are great, but like any profession, a select few are bullies or incompetent. My nephew is a cop and he hates it when this kind of thing happens.

My son is a policeman. He stands ready every day to put his life on the line to save yours. Don't judge everyone by the deeds of one. If you do that, then reach out to looters and rioters the next time you need help

Wow! Yep, murder for sure.

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I very much appreciate his service!

The looting and rioting accomplished nothing. Why take their rage out on innocent businesses? Tell me how these blacks taking large screen TVs and other expensive merchandise is ok??? They should be arrested for the millions of dollars of damage and thievery. The police will be prosecuted. These rioters want it NOW. They can’t wait for the investigation to be complete. Need to have all the facts first before prosecution. This is the USA where the rule of law prevails. Their behavior is disgusting.

I'm curious as to his past and that makes me a hater, a racist, impatient and intolerant. wow For having never met someone you sure like to fit them into your sized shoe. And I've made up my mind? lol Better look into a mirror.
I very much have an open mind. I like to know/learn all the facts to base an opinion on. If being informed makes me what you seem to think I am, I don't know what to say.
Remember the kid who was found guilty of being a racist to all those poor blacks and the old Indian... until the entire video came out and now he's a millionaire? Sometimes it takes time to reveal all the truth. Why? Because sometimes the truth is hidden and or slowed by people with an objective. (read the MSM) And that includes the bomb throwers at FOX.

Yes, there are definitely bullies on this forum. A lot who don't think they are.

There are also racists/bigots/misogynists/homophobes/xenophobes/Etc., Etc.

Then there are those who take personal shots at other people...on how they treat their spouses.

ALL are despicable.

And no one has the responsibility, except within the rules, to post so that certain people who believe themselves privileged...are not "annoyed."

So please just admit, that you've been trying to deflect from the real subject of this thread from the beginning...and take a knee.

Thank you. :ho:

So what should be done with the rioters and looters? Let them walk and have their day because they are oppressed? Right, most of them are doing it because they can, no other reason.
I made my feelings known about this and when the Police overreact with unnecessary force against ANYONE. Self righteous people always show the 5%, or less, of cops that are real ****, and make it look more prevalent than it really is. Some people are a cop haters, period, that's never going to end.
Steve

No one has mentioned that he was transported by the EMT's to the local hospital were he later died. This was showed on the Chicago news. Wait for the Medical Examiner findings of true cause of death. And what did Target have to do with this guy they got there store looted and cars were burnt because people were mad. They should close the store down and tell every one that this is the repercussions of there actions go loot and burn your own house. Oh that right our taxes pay for your house and big screen TV

It matters not one iota if he was on drugs. It mattered not if he had a rap sheet! There were 4 officers on the scene to subdue him. 3 watched as the 4th subdued and killed a man.

Why not wait until the investigation is completed!
Looks bad but we should not convict based on Twitter and edited video clips!

Why the Rush to judgment?
Looks bad, maybe it is as shown, but basing anything on what today’s media puts out is a mistake.
We don’t get news we get propaganda.

Wait for the investigation.
Hate mobs & rioting doesn’t solve anything it only makes things worse

You know, when a grown man calls for his mama after saying he cannot breathe, that told me how much Floyd was really in trouble. Usually you do that when you recognize you are dying. Often last words of soldiers.

The looters should be punished, full stop.

That being said, I have several issues. The other security videos show George being taken out of car and handcuffed with no incident. None of those show him resisting. The officer was kneeling on his neck for minutes despite he and bystanders begging him to stop. I realize most cops are not bad but why do they not speak up? There were 3other officers there and they did nothing to stop the other one.
George was suspected of passing a bad check or bill(not sure if which) in my 20 plus years of retail management have never called cops on either. Policy was refuse sale try to keep suspect bills if safe to do so. In any case they were to detain him not murder him.

Why is there a segment of cops that seem to be terrified of black men? Do they need training or should they not be on the force? They all seem to say I feared for my life, he was super human, resisting arrest and the like. Fear is understandable in any arrest but it always seems like a special level of fear in these cases.

I am not saying all cops but I am tired of seeing the same thing over and over again.

It really is...as simple as that. :mad:

Really! I never heard that before. Other examples please?

Freedom of speech is one thing, looting and rioting as far as I know is against the law, period!
Why is it ALWAYS race with you? Picking and choosing?
Steve

So a possible ex-con, possibly on something (note the words possible/ly) is no more or less harm than the average Joe in the Villages?
Have you ever seen a kid on crack? Have you ever seen how they go from zero to hero in the blink of an eye? Have you ever seen the strength that they have at the time?
I'm not the medical examiner nor was I there. It will take many iota's for me to make an informed decision. Maybe I never will due to lack of info. Seems everyone is a DA here. lol

Read my post again.

Tear gas and rubber bullets were used on those just protesting.

As far as me being willing to stand up when blatant racial disparities occur, just call it a failing on my part...for being a decent human being. :ho:

Thank you for demonstrating exactly why, such vast and institutional...racial disparities still exist.

You've done a public service. :thumbup:

Too funny!
Steve

If you're going to loot my store because what happened on the other side of the country... well I'll not be reaching for a can of tear gas. That's protesting???
Your definitions are a wee bit different than mine I guess.
George Floyd's death: Parts of Minneapolis burn during protests - CNN

The looters won't be punished. So, the next time an event like this occurs, there will be more looting.

You've given your opinion on race once again. I congratulate you Oh keeper of humanity.
You still haven't answered any of the many questions.

I speak from experiance as an ex police officer

1. The officers involved need to be Arrested now On suspicion of murder, and eventually charged with murder as soon as case can be Filed.

2. The rioters should all be arrested for disorderedly conduct, vandalism and theft. They do not own Target or Autozone.

3. The stores should close in this area to minimize future risk to their innocent employees and valuable property

4. The police need to be retrained immediately. Their traditional job that taxpayers pay them to do is to “ protect and serve” Do they somehow now think that Deployment of militarized officers in flack jackets touting “law enforcement” Builds community support????

5. Judges and prosecutors, mayors and political hacks, all need to support arresting and removing the Lifelong criminals from our streets. These creeps ( yes creeps) ruin our cities and make them unsafe for police or citizens To enjoy.

This applies to all political parties and all races.

They interviewed the Paramedics his heart stopped in the ambulance and they were not able to revive him.. They pronounced him dead at the hospital..

You have never been in battle? You are very lucky. Personal observations, as I witness war around me.

Exactly ! Even some of the TV "talking heads" (who actually benefit from riots, "if it bleeds it leads" kind of mentality, are saying HOW can breaking into a big store and stealing a big screen TV and actually having others there to help you haul it HOME, be a "protest" to horrible, shameful, ILLEGAL behavior ???? To show my outrage of my home being broken into, or my rights trampled on, is the answer to go commit other illegal acts, arson setting things on fire, burglary, theft.... ? ? What in the world ? Did no one learn anything from MLK ? Gandhi ? Others ....

Because to often as time passes things tend to get swept under the rug and that is not fair for the victim or his loved ones..I f that was your loved one being murdered by a cop you would be anxious for justice also..