[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by Hogfan55

You are spot on. What is ironic and obvious to me is even after 156 years those from northern states are the ones that refuse to let the Civil War be over. It was the same during Reconstruction. To this day they want to put their thumb on southerners. They want to portray southerners as ignorant, they insist that we publicly condemn our ancestors as traitors while portraying themselves as conquering heroes which we know is a joke. They would have never fought the war if it was to end slavery. Even Lincoln wasn’t for racial equality. But the northern libs won’t stop until we kneel at the monument of political correctness. The cause of slavery was wrong and southerners admit that. But you must judge those from the past by the customs and mores of their time, not by the present. Regardless of which side you were on during the war Robert E Lee had the respect of both sides both as a General and as a man of honor. Time will not erase the truth. I have read several biographies of R E Lee. I disagree with taking statues down but it will never change my opinion of him. And I won’t bow to those that disagree. As a matter of fact I will now have a portrait of Lee hanging on a wall of my home. When I’m asked who it is I will tell the truth. An honorable man that could not raise his sword against his own state. Even though he disagreed with their cause.

A very moving and honest opinion, thank you.

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by bimmertl

Really, kids won't know the history of our great country since a Robert E Lee statue was taken down?

Grew up in Wisconsin. Don't believe there were any Lee statues there or anywhere in the Midwest and probably most of the rest of the USA other than the South. Somehow millions of Americans learned US history without seeing statues of Lee. Amazing!

You are dead on. True and factual history has absolutely no correlation to some statue or monument on public property, especially those erected decades after the actual event. Those things were put up solely to intimidate blacks and to help push Jim Crow laws, which is why they are mostly a southern thing. Not to even mention, since when should this great country - celebrate traitorous losers?

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

The previous president disagrees with your assessment of Lee's ability.

..."If only we had Robert E. Lee to command our troops in Afghanistan, that disaster would have ended in a complete and total victory many years ago"...

Amazing.

Amazing.


Not much to add to that, as it perfectly encapsulates the ignorance and idiocy we live with.

[024engine]

Let me ask you, what warrants a George Floyd statue? He was a convicted criminal, a dope fene, a thug, a usless piece of garbage.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Dave Laluk

Unvaccinated adults are putting our unvaccinated children at risk. The kids under 12 can't get vaccinated yet. Therefore, responsible adults have a responsibility to protect them in any way we can. Irresponsible adults who won't get vaccinated need to be pressured in whatever way possible in order to protect the kids.

Ummm... Wut?

Did you get lost?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by COLTempleton

What people may not realize is that the North actually asked Lee to fight for them. Also, Lee did not have slaves and was against slavery.

Shhh... Facts confuse people...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by forebubba

BRAVO, well said. Lee was a traitor to the US Constitution and fought to keep slaves.

Yeah, that get's a no from me Dawg...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by quietpine

Nlie that sought to justify the acts of treason, slaughter and destruction that wrecked the nation..

Ummm, it was the Union Army who went on a rampage of slaughter and destruction... Stealing, burning and destroying everything in their path...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

He committed treason against the United States. The only people who celebrated him were the Confederacy - which existed to overturn the US Government in a massive insurrection that most of us like to call the Civil War.

Seceding from the Union did not make him nor any Confederate soldier a traitor...

Can a State Constitutionally Secede? | AHA

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Seceding from the Union did not make him nor any Confederate soldier a traitor...

Can a State Constitutionally Secede? | AHA

What would we do without you on these forums!

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by tvbound

You are dead on. True and factual history has absolutely no correlation to some statue or monument on public property, especially those erected decades after the actual event. Those things were put up solely to intimidate blacks and to help push Jim Crow laws, which is why they are mostly a southern thing. Not to even mention, since when should this great country - celebrate traitorous losers?

What kids learn nowadays is revisionist history, and now CRT, apparently. Statues commemorating great leaders and icons were not erected to intimidate but to preserve and honor those who sacrificed for causes they believed in. The South was in too much pain and disarray after the war to think about statues. Those are usually things you do as a society in hindsight not to mention being able to afford to make such things at a time when the South was reeling from the after effects of the war.

As was already mentioned on here, the Union army rampaged through the South without mercy. They were not gentle or kind to the conquered which I'm sure contributed to the lingering resentment of Southerners and a stubborn resistance to change as mandated (there's that word again) by the victors.

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Seceding from the Union did not make him nor any Confederate soldier a traitor...

Can a State Constitutionally Secede? | AHA

Seriously? You're using an 1860 opinion piece from a pro-slavery newspaper, as some kind of proof that the south weren't traitors to the UNITED States of America? Wow. Or did you not bother to read it?

And exactly what kind of "property" do you think he was talking about?


From your link.

"Let the Northern States repeal their Personal Liberty Bills, and pass laws recognizing the rights of the Southern people to their property. Let Southern people be permitted to enjoy their rights unmolested and undisturbed. Let them, if they desire it, carry with them in their tours of business or pleasure their domestic servants."

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

What kids learn nowadays is revisionist history, and now CRT, apparently. Statues commemorating great leaders and icons were not erected to intimidate but to preserve and honor those who sacrificed for causes they believed in. The South was in too much pain and disarray after the war to think about statues. Those are usually things you do as a society in hindsight not to mention being able to afford to make such things at a time when the South was reeling from the after effects of the war.

As was already mentioned on here, the Union army rampaged through the South without mercy. They were not gentle or kind to the conquered which I'm sure contributed to the lingering resentment of Southerners and a stubborn resistance to change as mandated (there's that word again) by the victors.

" Statues commemorating great leaders and icons were not erected to intimidate"

Sorry, but you are incorrect.

Why Were Confederate Monuments Built? : NPR

[wisbad1]

Originally Posted by bimmertl

Really, kids won't know the history of our great country since a Robert E Lee statue was taken down?

Grew up in Wisconsin. Don't believe there were any Lee statues there or anywhere in the Midwest and probably most of the rest of the USA other than the South. Somehow millions of Americans learned US history without seeing statues of Lee. Amazing!

Is that why we have so MLK Blvd.’s in the US? Or a statue of him?

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by wisbad1

Is that why we have so MLK Blvd.’s in the US? Or a statue of him?

Let's see, one was willing to go to war and kill other Americans to maintain slavery/owning other human beings and the other advocated NON-violent protests/marches, to provide ALL Americans (primarily blacks) - with equal rights.

Yeah, that's not exactly a tough choice for me.