[billethkid]

Two Bills....slightly off the topic but related;

would you care to put a perspective on the so called mutant virus that (according to some of our news sources) is allegedly shutting down the UK?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

I dont think it's 28 days then freedom...I understand it to be 28days(then 7 days waiting) and then You will be safe but you can still get the germ,carry the germ,share the germ... but not get sick from the germ..... so still mask up and social dist ance... for awhile... this is what Fauci is saying .

As I understand it, there is research going on right now to determine IF (?) you can "spread the germ" after the 2nd shot and some time period. It is just not known right now. So, to be HUMANE to others, you should continue with the masking and distancing. Problem is we live in a very selfish world and I DOUBT that many people WILL keep wearing the mask. That is where government SHOULD (?) step in and mandate it for everyone's safety. That is the main purpose of government.

Also IF (?) over 30% of the people do NOT take the vaccine, then the COVID-19 will remain with us for all time. That would require that masking and all the other problems would NEVER go away. That would NOT be a good future. That future would not "be so bright that anyone would have to wear sunglasses"! To me, there are MANY as yet UNRESOLVED issues.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

JUST a few more Days. NOT LONG NOW. I am so happy and cannot wait to hear how this will happen here. I am GUESSING it will be at the polo field where people can drive up in their golf carts? Like the original testing?

They can't give a vaccine to you at a "Polo Field". You have to be INSIDE a medical facility in case you have a bad reaction and need treatment and the equipment to save you (if necessary). I believe that it is being given under an "emergency use" classification because it is SO new. And the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have NEVER been given to large populations before. That is why safety precautions MUST be taken.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Final update.

Sorry for not updating, but I have not been online recently due to other circumstances

My lovely wife is still without any symptoms,and at this stage is unlikely to have any at all.
I am now back to pre vaccinaion strength, and felt fine after 6 days.

After the last update I had to go into hospital for a pre-arranged test. NOT COVID RELATED!

The night I was admitted, my wife was alone in our home when some scumbags tried to break in.
Thankfully our glass is super strong and although they tried to smash two of our large patio door windows they never got in.
Wife was, and still is of course traumatised, but we have family nearby, who were here even before the police, which in UK is not difficult!
We are quite rural, and probably had a false sense of security.
Not now, and we are at present installing many security updates.
That is why I did not continue to update.

Happy Christmas to you all.

Stay safe.
Bill.

Thank you for your reporting. My advice about breaking in - get 3 large dogs - for inside and outside.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Two Bills....slightly off the topic but related;

would you care to put a perspective on the so called mutant virus that (according to some of our news sources) is allegedly shutting down the UK?

My post was basicaly about how we felt after vaccination.
Here is a link to a BBC article regarding mutation.
Subject is way above my pay grade.



Covid: New variant found ‘due to hard work of UK scientists’ - BBC News


Covid-19: UK-France services return as travel ban eased - BBC News

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

As I understand it, there is research going on right now to determine IF (?) you can "spread the germ" after the 2nd shot and some time period. It is just not known right now. So, to be HUMANE to others, you should continue with the masking and distancing. Problem is we live in a very selfish world and I DOUBT that many people WILL keep wearing the mask. That is where government SHOULD (?) step in and mandate it for everyone's safety. That is the main purpose of government.

Also IF (?) over 30% of the people do NOT take the vaccine, then the COVID-19 will remain with us for all time. That would require that masking and all the other problems would NEVER go away. That would NOT be a good future. That future would not "be so bright that anyone would have to wear sunglasses"! To me, there are MANY as yet UNRESOLVED issues.

I guess you would consider me one of those "selfish people". I've been a huge propoent of mask wearing and social distancing since this pandemic began back in early March. My stance remains that once I am immune after receive my second shot and waiting the proper amount of time for my immunity to kick in, I will not wear a mask anymore. I refuse to protect anti-vaxxers who do not take the small risk that I will take when I get vaccinated. The anti-vaxxers will just have to protect themselves in any way they can.

To those who can not take the vaccine for medical reasons, I'm sorry but I still will not protect you by wearing a mask. That you will have to do on your own. You will just have to continue to wear a mask, stay away from crowds and keep your distance from others. Also, do not touch your face and wash your hands frequently.

[thelegges]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I guess you would consider me one of those "selfish people". I've been a huge propoent of mask wearing and social distancing since this pandemic began back in early March. My stance remains that once I am immune after receive my second shot and waiting the proper amount of time for my immunity to kick in, I will not wear a mask anymore. I refuse to protect anti-vaxxers who do not take the small risk that I will take when I get vaccinated. The anti-vaxxers will just have to protect themselves in any way they can.

To those who can not take the vaccine for medical reasons, I'm sorry but I still will not protect you by wearing a mask. That you will have to do on your own. You will just have to continue to wear a mask, stay away from crowds and keep your distance from others. Also, do not touch your face and wash your hands frequently.

If you have been vaccinated, at say 94% effective, why would you need to protect those not wearing a mask. If you believe in the science, you would be protected from getting Covid, and or giving it. So why worry about what others are doing if science to protecting you.
The percentage of medical personnel that are not getting the vaccine is much larger than you realize.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by thelegges

If you have been vaccinated, at say 94% effective, why would you need to protect those not wearing a mask. If you believe in the science, you would be protected from getting Covid, and or giving it. So why worry about what others are doing if science to protecting you.
The percentage of medical personnel that are not getting the vaccine is much larger than you realize.

Science is not sure about that yet from what I have seen and heard from news sources.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Thank you for your reporting. My advice about breaking in - get 3 large dogs - for inside and outside.

Cheaper to have one alarm system and a big gun.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Cheaper to have one alarm system and a big gun.

Too bad it's the UK

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by thelegges

If you have been vaccinated, at say 94% effective, why would you need to protect those not wearing a mask. If you believe in the science, you would be protected from getting Covid, and or giving it. So why worry about what others are doing if science to protecting you.
The percentage of medical personnel that are not getting the vaccine is much larger than you realize.

This CV is called a novel CV, meaning it is new and that newness brings with it risks of the unknown. As is known right now, getting the vaccine protects you from catastrophic bad hospitalization (and death) from CV. It does NOT guarantee forever immunity. It guarantees SOME immunity for SOME period of time (3 months, 1 year, 2 years), which is not known at this time. Another UNKNOWN is after 2 doses and a time period, can you STILL give the CV to another person? it is logical that you can't, but STILL unknown. They are researching that now. Until they have that ANSWER - the medical experts are advising people to CONTINUE to wear a mask and stay apart andnot indoors. This is for the group good, the humanitarian good!

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by thelegges

If you have been vaccinated, at say 94% effective, why would you need to protect those not wearing a mask. If you believe in the science, you would be protected from getting Covid, and or giving it. So why worry about what others are doing if science to protecting you.
The percentage of medical personnel that are not getting the vaccine is much larger than you realize.

I understand it will protect you from getting the symptoms but the virus could still be your system and you could pass it on. I hope there are enough that get vaccinated and they will still try to help friends and neighbors and family, but I doubt it. In addition they don't have a clue on how long you will be protected, one month, one year, forever? Not sure how many remember the polio vaccine, it was mandated and polio was defeated. Since it is no longer required there are smatterings of it returning.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Science is not sure about that yet from what I have seen and heard from news sources.

Yes, Science is sure about the fact that Pfizer, Moderna and Biontech Vaccines are 94% effective. YES they are. Go please and Google, Bing and investigate everything.

Are Covid-19 Vaccines Really 95% Effective? - The New York Times

[jimjamuser]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;1877005]Yes, Science is sure about the fact that Pfizer, Moderna and Biontech Vaccines are 94% effective. YES they are. Go please and Google, Bing and investigate everything.

Are Covid-19 Vaccines Really 95% Effective? - The New York Times[/QUOTE
Yes but also no. Coffee Bean, JoMar, and myself are talking about "passing it on". Even AFTER you yourself are protected, you could possibly (?) be spreading it. They are researching that part right now.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Yes, Science is sure about the fact that Pfizer, Moderna and Biontech Vaccines are 94% effective. YES they are. Go please and Google, Bing and investigate everything.

Are Covid-19 Vaccines Really 95% Effective? - The New York Times

Gracie....I wasn't questioning the efficacy of the vaccines. My comment was directed to another poster about whether a vaccinated person can still pass on the virus. Again, my response is the same.......science does not know yet if a vaccinated person can still transmit the virus to others.