[Fastskiguy]

30 trillion debt with an "income" of...say...4 trillion per year.

How Much Money the Government Collects in Taxes - Overview,

You get on the wrong side of a debt that large and....well....we'll see I guess! I hope you're right!!

[jbrown132]

Originally Posted by Davidgroupx

Interesting perspective.

Total US deaths during WW1 = 116,516
Total US deaths during WW2 = 405,399
Total US deaths for both wars = 521,915

US total costs of WW2 alone in 2019 dollars = $4.1 trillion.

Did we win the war and recover from that enormous national debt? You betcha.
How? We made the necessary sacrifices and came together with unity as a nation.

We're at war with COVID-19
The total US deaths from COVID-19 = 523,000 to date. That already exceeds WW2.
Will we win the war? Will our national debt be unsurmountable?
Only if we don't make the necessary sacrifices, and come together with unity as a nation.

US deaths for WW II a little over 400,000. World wide deaths from WW II, estimated to be around 80 million. Not a good comparison.

[VillagesDan]

Originally Posted by Davidgroupx

Interesting perspective.

Total US deaths during WW1 = 116,516
Total US deaths during WW2 = 405,399
Total US deaths for both wars = 521,915

US total costs of WW2 alone in 2019 dollars = $4.1 trillion.

Did we win the war and recover from that enormous national debt? You betcha.
How? We made the necessary sacrifices and came together with unity as a nation.

We're at war with COVID-19
The total US deaths from COVID-19 = 523,000 to date. That already exceeds WW2.
Will we win the war? Will our national debt be unsurmountable?
Only if we don't make the necessary sacrifices, and come together with unity as a nation.

As reported by the CDC ... Here are the US deaths by year and the change
from the previous year.

Year 2017: 2,818,503 Americans died

Year 2018: 2,839,205 deaths (20,702 more than the previous year 2017)

Year 2019: 2,855,000 deaths (16,300 more than the previous year 2018)

The year of the pandemic ...

Year 2020: 2,913,144 deaths (57,641 more than the previous year 2019)

BUT WAIT: There were zero deaths from Covid-19 during 2018, and 2019
and the jump from 2019 was only 57,641 ???

I've been told that COVID is responsible now for 400,000 + deaths.
Shouldn't the 2020 number be alot higher?

So the question becomes: How many people died of COVID and How many really only
died (of other causes) WITH COVID?

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by sail33or

The Covid deaths are inflated. (I have a relative counted inaccurately) and that can't be the only one. I recall some issues with counting votes in certain states inaccurately. The Media lies 99.9% of the time so how does anyone know true numbers. How many people die from Cancer and Heart Disease or regular flu. How about people that die from OLD AGE. Why did you not mention them?

The National Debt will never be payed down. The government always spends more than it receives "always" just look at any spending curves. That is why interest rate is ZERO. Interest would make the National Debt increase to amounts where we would need outer space numbers to describe.

Just watch what gets spent this year compared to what is taken in.

Just wait for the war on fossil fuels. You have not seen anything yet.

Good news is we are retired and live in The Villages in the state of Florida. Otherwise, kumbaya (oops).

The entire issue is covered by two old expressions. The second on is my favorite.
Figures don't lie but, liars can figure.
Figures don't lie but, if you choke them hard enough you can make them say whatever you want.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by Fastskiguy

30 trillion debt with an "income" of...say...4 trillion per year.

How Much Money the Government Collects in Taxes - Overview,

You get on the wrong side of a debt that large and....well....we'll see I guess! I hope you're right!!

Reality-I regularly post the same thought. We toss about the term 30 Trillion. How many stop to realize we do not really comprehend one Trillion let alone 30 of them.

A million here million there. A billion here a billion there. A trillion here a trillion there.
My comprehension ends at the billion.

[doccraig]

You must have missed the CDC report that states “94% of the deaths attributed to COVID 19 actually died with testing positive to COVID NOT from COVID”. You probably overlooked the WHO report on innoguration day that stated the current testing protocols were massively over reporting positive tests.

Just sayin...

[Taltarzac725]

Research Starters: Worldwide Deaths in World War II | The National WWII Museum | New Orleans

The total deaths in WWII included many civilians due to starvation, lack of drinking water, genocide, diseases, the elements (weather), bombings, fires, etc.

*Worldwide casualty estimates vary widely in several sources. The number of civilian deaths in China alone might well be more than 50,000,000.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by VillagesDan

As reported by the CDC ... Here are the US deaths by year and the change
from the previous year.

Year 2017: 2,818,503 Americans died

Year 2018: 2,839,205 deaths (20,702 more than the previous year 2017)

Year 2019: 2,855,000 deaths (16,300 more than the previous year 2018)

The year of the pandemic ...

Year 2020: 2,913,144 deaths (57,641 more than the previous year 2019)

BUT WAIT: There were zero deaths from Covid-19 during 2018, and 2019
and the jump from 2019 was only 57,641 ???

I've been told that COVID is responsible now for 400,000 + deaths.
Shouldn't the 2020 number be alot higher?

So the question becomes: How many people died of COVID and How many really only
died (of other causes) WITH COVID?

The number for 2020 IS a lot higher. It is actually 3,401,600 or a jump of 546,600 from the 2019 count. My information came from the CDC. I'll ask again, where did your data come from? (maybe the fourth time is the charm)

546,600 more deaths in 2020 than in previous years. You can try to differentiate "FROM" covid and "WITH" covid but you still have 546,600 additional deaths because of covid.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by doccraig

You must have missed the CDC report that states “94% of the deaths attributed to COVID 19 actually died with testing positive to COVID NOT from COVID”. You probably overlooked the WHO report on innoguration day that stated the current testing protocols were massively over reporting positive tests.

Just sayin...

See my other response concerning WITH covid and FROM covid and the 546,600 additional deaths because of covid.

Please post a link to this WHO report. I suspect is is the one that is being misquoted.

But let's say you are right and the number of positive tests are being massively over-reported. What is "massively," a factor of 10? There were at least 520,000 additional graves dug since the start of the pandemic. If the positive results were "massively" over-reported by a factor of 10 then the true number of infections is in the neighborhood of 2,896,000 which gives a fatality rate of 17.9% or a survival rate of only 82%

So which is it:

1. The positivity rate has not been over-reported (your assertion is wrong)
2. There were not really over 520,000 additional graves dug last year (the CDC can't count dead bodies)
3. The survival rate is really only 82% (covid is a 10 times more deadly)

[Taltarzac725]

Sepsis a Significant Factor in COVID-19 Deaths | Texas and Louisiana Medical Malpractice Firm

Sepsis is a major killer of hospital patients and has been for as long as there have been hospitals.

COVID19 — Global Sepsis Alliance

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[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

See my other response concerning WITH covid and FROM covid and the 546,600 additional deaths because of covid.

Please post a link to this WHO report. I suspect is is the one that is being misquoted.

But let's say you are right and the number of positive tests are being massively over-reported. What is "massively," a factor of 10? There were at least 520,000 additional graves dug since the start of the pandemic. If the positive results were "massively" over-reported by a factor of 10 then the true number of infections is in the neighborhood of 2,896,000 which gives a fatality rate of 17.9% or a survival rate of only 82%

So which is it:

1. The positivity rate has not been over-reported (you're assertion is wrong)
2. There were not really over 520,000 additional graves dug last year (the CDC can't count dead bodies)
3. The survival rate is really only 82% (covid is a 10 times more deadly)

Thanks for setting the record straight. I believe YOU!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Davidgroupx

Interesting perspective.

Total US deaths during WW1 = 116,516
Total US deaths during WW2 = 405,399
Total US deaths for both wars = 521,915

US total costs of WW2 alone in 2019 dollars = $4.1 trillion.

Did we win the war and recover from that enormous national debt? You betcha.
How? We made the necessary sacrifices and came together with unity as a nation.

We're at war with COVID-19
The total US deaths from COVID-19 = 523,000 to date. That already exceeds WW2.
Will we win the war? Will our national debt be unsurmountable?
Only if we don't make the necessary sacrifices, and come together with unity as a nation.

Great interesting thread starter about a historic and current subject. Way to weave them together. One out of every three people in the US know someone that has died of CV. The new and more deadly British variant has been found in 19% of all NEW US cases. And the graph of the increase is very steep upward.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Great interesting thread starter about a historic and current subject. Way to weave them together. One out of every three people in the US know someone that has died of CV. The new and more deadly British variant has been found in 19% of all NEW US cases. And the graph of the increase is very steep upward.

You think the British variant is bad, wait till the South African, and Brazilian variants arrive!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Tom52

A different perspective, worldwide so far, Covid has claimed about 2.6 million people. WW1 and WW2 claimed between 110 - 125 million people worldwide. Then consider during WW2 the entire world population was approx. 2.6 billion while the population today is approx. 7.9 billion. Covid deaths will likely be a pimple compared to the devastation and deaths of World Wars.

I don't understand the comments about the sacrifice and unity of our nation. Covid is a worldwide problem and I can't believe, or don't want to believe, that somehow the USA will be less capable of recovering than any other country.

The 1st paragraph was VERY intuitive. By comparing the greater population today, you have a larger denominator to show that the % problem of CV today is less of a factor than the world wars. Good job!

I somewhat disagree with the 2nd paragraph because since the US is # 1 in the CV Pandemic - it is logical that we will recover very slowly. (incidentally) Remember Bob Woodward's advice? As a matter of fact, China has pulled ahead of the US as the world's economic leader - right now. They have already recovered.

[rgoosman]

When you tally the death toll from the 1918 flu don't forget that sickness the trenches was a big issue and no doubt classified by both sides.