[Tom53]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

They'll continue telling us how dangerous the other side is, as long as there are people willing to listen to what they're being told by them.

Stop listening - and they'll stop talking. They talk because they know they have an audience. Even on twitter - if you want to know what someone is saying, but don't want THEM to know that you're paying attention - you do NOT have to follow them. Just UNfollow them - and you can still go to their account page and read what they're posting. But they will not have the benefit of your account on their follower list.

Unfortunately, that's easier said than done. Influencers have been around forever. Depending on your religious persuasion, some might say it all started with Adam & Eve and that damn apple!

The fringe fanatics may be God's test on our free will, but I'm not exactly a religious person.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

I'm simply pointing out that the posts using Sharpton as the focus "of a lot" (earlier legitimate point of incorrectly using "ALL" noted) of the problems, while being totally silent and ignoring...what I mentioned as being a much BIGGER problem.

You asked in another post if I had any other comments. I do.
1. So, I agree that racism is a much bigger problem than Al Sharpton is, although the comments about him are directly related to the true definition of that problem. In the whole discussion (not your stated points but implied points relating to points being made by many others), there is way too lazy (not meant to be pejorative in this sentence) use of language. We need to be clear and precise on statements we make in order to gain some ground. I know this paragraph is cryptic and needs lots of expansion, but my main comment is:

2. You made the point that the posters are focusing on Al Sharpton when racism is a much bigger problem. I think we are allowed to comment on other specific points without being racist or bigoted. If we are limited to only commenting on the biggest issue before we can comment on the related issues, then that would make you a racist/bigot because abortion is the number one killer of black lives in the United States. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, abortion kills more black people than HIV, homicide, diabetes, accident, cancer, and heart disease … combined. Also, between 1980 and 2008, blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders (Cooper and Smith, 2011). The vast majority of homicides are intraracial...with 93 percent of black victims killed by
blacks. So, unless you address those 2 issues which threaten black lives exponentially more than racism before talking about police killings of blacks, then don't call others who make comments about other points racist/bigoted, because they are not talking about what is important to you at that moment in time, or is not as big of an issue as the one you are talking about, in your mind (and mine).

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

You asked in another post if I had any other comments. I do.
1. So, I agree that racism is a much bigger problem than Al Sharpton is, although the comments about him are directly related to the true definition of that problem. In the whole discussion (not your stated points but implied points relating to points being made by many others), there is way too lazy (not meant to be pejorative in this sentence) use of language. We need to be clear and precise on statements we make in order to gain some ground. I know this paragraph is cryptic and needs lots of expansion, but my main comment is:

2. You made the point that the posters are focusing on Al Sharpton when racism is a much bigger problem. I think we are allowed to comment on other specific points without being racist or bigoted. If we are limited to only commenting on the biggest issue before we can comment on the related issues, then that would make you a racist/bigot because abortion is the number one killer of black lives in the United States. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, abortion kills more black people than HIV, homicide, diabetes, accident, cancer, and heart disease … combined. Also, between 1980 and 2008, blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders (Cooper and Smith, 2011). The vast majority of homicides are intraracial...with 93 percent of black victims killed by
blacks. So, unless you address those 2 issues which threaten black lives exponentially more than racism before talking about police killings of blacks, then don't call others who make comments about other points racist/bigoted, because they are not talking about what is important to you at that moment in time, or is not as big of an issue as the one you are talking about, in your mind (and mine).

Well said

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

You asked in another post if I had any other comments. I do.
1. So, I agree that racism is a much bigger problem than Al Sharpton is, although the comments about him are directly related to the true definition of that problem. In the whole discussion (not your stated points but implied points relating to points being made by many others), there is way too lazy (not meant to be pejorative in this sentence) use of language. We need to be clear and precise on statements we make in order to gain some ground. I know this paragraph is cryptic and needs lots of expansion, but my main comment is:

2. You made the point that the posters are focusing on Al Sharpton when racism is a much bigger problem. I think we are allowed to comment on other specific points without being racist or bigoted. If we are limited to only commenting on the biggest issue before we can comment on the related issues, then that would make you a racist/bigot because abortion is the number one killer of black lives in the United States. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, abortion kills more black people than HIV, homicide, diabetes, accident, cancer, and heart disease … combined. Also, between 1980 and 2008, blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders (Cooper and Smith, 2011). The vast majority of homicides are intraracial...with 93 percent of black victims killed by blacks. So, unless you address those 2 issues which threaten black lives exponentially more than racism before talking about police killings of blacks, then don't call others who make comments about other points racist/bigoted, because they are not talking about what is important to you at that moment in time, or is not as big of an issue as the one you are talking about, in your mind (and mine).

Please stop right now with the abortion talk, unless your intent is to get this (and all of the other threads on social injustice)... shut down.

Abortion is certainly a big enough issue, to warrant its own thread...so you should address it that way.

Thank you.




As to black on black (or any other violence statistics) and ignoring poverty and drugs, that are a symptom and not the cause of systemic/institutional racism (given its 400 year history in this country)...is simply a diversion.

Until the majority of whites are ready to acknowledge and understand that 400 year history and decide that it hasn't changed enough...I find the path murky on how to eventually fix the problem.

Unfortunately, all too many whites (who are the majority as of now) have no real desire...to address or change the status quo.

And why should they, as all in all and in spite of its inhumanity (might I add, also in spite of most religious teachings)...it works pretty well in the favor of us that are white.

Unless & until science (fiction) suddenly finds a way, to eliminate the hate/anger/prejudice/vitriol that resides in so many people's hearts...that is.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Tom53

I was living in that town (it wasn't Fishkill) at the time it happened, and it left a huge black mark on the town. What I recall was a young girl that did not get home when she was supposed to, and made up a story to take the heat off her. Unfortunately, 3 idiots got wind of it, and blew it so far out of proportion that there was no way to come back from it. Although being a local, I was unaware of that nickname, but perhaps you had a closer relationship with her, so I won't comment on the validity of it.

Lived in NYC at the time and it created huge racial tensions with the 3 idiots (like that) drumming up hatred every chance they had. When it finally came out that she was lying they ran for the hills and were not men enough to admit they were wrong and apologize.

Sharpton has made a career of creating racial hatred.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

2. You made the point that the posters are focusing on Al Sharpton when racism is a much bigger problem. I think we are allowed to comment on other specific points without being racist or bigoted.

The racist will say "Sure, that was bad, but this is just as bad, or that is worse, but what about that?"

The person fighting for equality will say, "Sure, this was bad. Yes, that was also bad, but this conversation isn't about that. This conversation is about this. We can address that in addition to this, but right now, we are focused on this. Let's not lose traction by segueing to something else, until this has been addressed and resolved. OR...let US deal with this, while YOU deal with that, and then we can get both things resolved at the same time."

Every time someone says "sure what happened was horrible but what about all the times..." they are revealing that they really don't think it was all that horrible. Dismissing something in favor of another is dismissing it.

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The racist will say "Sure, that was bad, but this is just as bad, or that is worse, but what about that?"

The person fighting for equality will say, "Sure, this was bad. Yes, that was also bad, but this conversation isn't about that. This conversation is about this. We can address that in addition to this, but right now, we are focused on this. Let's not lose traction by segueing to something else, until this has been addressed and resolved. OR...let US deal with this, while YOU deal with that, and then we can get both things resolved at the same time."

Every time someone says "sure what happened was horrible but what about all the times..." they are revealing that they really don't think it was all that horrible. Dismissing something in favor of another is dismissing it.

What?
Steve

[banjobob]

Take the time to listen to Candence Owens you tube talk ,she explains it perfectly

[Girlcopper]

Originally Posted by PennBF

How many remember the Tawana Brawley case in the small quiet village of Fishkill New York. She lived in an Apt. outside of the Village and claimed she was asulted by the then County Prosecutor, Steve Pagones? Who was the first to claim it was a racist act and the people should up rise, Al Sharpton. His rable rousing did not work and he and Tawana were both sued and lost but I am not sure if they ever paid Steve Pagones for the terrible attacks on him. The case was pretty much destroyed by Tawana's alleged boyfriend at the time who testified the allegations were invented and it was all a hoax! I listened on TV this morning and who was speaking in the service, Al Sharpton screaming for the people to take action. He was rable rousing again as that is what he does!. There was a terrible act by a criminal policeman and killed an innocent victim. Unfortunately, Sharpton obviously saw this as another opportunity and moved in with his rable rousing. He is the bottom feeder of "do gooders" and acts to provoke more killings and injuries.

He always does and always will. He is the same as Crump, the attorney jumping on every high profile case and magnifying it even more

[jacksonbrown]

Racism isn't a problem, racists like "Reverand" Al are the problem.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by jacksonbrown

Racism isn't a problem, racists like "Reverand" Al are the problem.

Yeah, I remember all of those times that Sharpton used excessive violence...in his racist life.

Racism, in and of itself, is not against the law...nor even a crime.

It ONLY becomes an issue, when people with power and authority (and those who support those same people)...use it against others.

So just take away all of that unrestrained authority and power away from blacks who hold/represent the majority of power/authority and who constantly exercise that racism against whites (who have no real power/authority in this country)...and the problem is magically fixed.

Oh wait, it's actually...just the opposite.

[icedice]

msnbc always parades him out when there is any racial incident. they still call him reverend. what a joke

[Dahabs]

Not a fan of Sharpton. In fact I think he has done a great disservice to the African-American community. He seems to jump at every opportunity to get in front of the spotlight regardless of whether the issue of the day warrants a protest. He's lost much credibility in my eyes.

Now, regarding the current George Floyd protest and police brutality in general, I totally support. Been going on for much too long. Nobody should die for passing a bad $20 regardless of whether the one passing the bad $20 was aware it was bad. I also recognized the Kapernick protest for what it was and I also supported it.

[Arl]

I certainly do remember that.

[sam&rog]

Every time I see sharpton on tv,
That is my first thought. Albany tv covered it a lot