[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by NotGolfer

I'm on hydroxychloroquine for a medical issue and have been for over a year and a half. I paid attention when it was 1st brought up early in this covid . I spoke with my primary...actually we've had the conversation twice. While I've not had covid yet I feel certain this medication is a good 1st line defense. I've seen documentation from many dr's across the nation who testify to this as a line of action for their patients. There are dr's in Texas who also are using an asthma medication quite successfully as well. I'd rather do something on the short term that holds promise rather than waiting it out and "maybe" living through a horrific hospital stay (ie respirator). Many are hoping for a miraculous vaccine to cure this virus. I don't hold my breath for that one. The flu hasn't yet been eradicated yet by a vaccine so why would something that's yet not well-tested be the panacea for a new virus? Just asking the question........

Would NOT a part of the flu, having not been eliminated by the flu VACCINE, be that 100% of the people in the US and the world do NOT take it?

[rphil11ort]

i have 4 friends in new york who recovered using it

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Do you know what they call the person who graduated last in their class in Med school?

DR.

Good one, touche!

[Baywayric]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

There have been many medical studies done testing HCQ effectiveness. There are more positive studies than there are negative ones. In general (not all) the negative studies used the drug on severely sick patients while the more positive ones used the drug earlier, before the disease had progressed to ICU/ventilator stage.

Here is a link to 65 studies, 39 or which were peer reviewed. Peer review does not always guarantee authenticity of results, the infamous Surgisphere study published in Lancet was peer reviewed and then retracted because of fraudulent data.

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 65 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment

The most recent positive study was recently released by Henry Ford Health in Michigan and treatment with HCQ cut the death rate significantly in sick hospitalized patients, no heart-related side-effects. HCQ decreases mortality from 26.4% to 13.5% in 2451 patients.

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S...534-8/fulltext

100% with GoodLife on this one. “I saw”, “I heard” just doesn’t cut it. You have to READ the science.

If you read far enough you will find that it is ZINC that kills single strand RNA viruses (Covid) within the cells. The problem, zinc on its own cannot penetrate the cell wall. What is needed is something called an IONOPHORE which facilitates zincs entry to the cell. Any guess as to an effective ionophore for zinc? Yup, HCQ. The key is early treatment to PREVENT replication of the virus. Once you are sick enough to be admitted to the hospital you are way down the path of viral replication. Any wonder the doctors studying this treatment at that point are having less than successful trials? Any study not indicating coincident use of zinc should be disregarded. Of course it won’t work.

Are there alternatives for a zinc ionophore, of course. Read up on Quercetin and make your own choice. Both Zinc and Quercetin are readily available over the counter.

While you’re at it, check your Vitamin D level. How many here can instantly quote their BP, Cholesterol and Glucose levels and have no clue about Vitamin D? Probably the most important DEFENSIVE strategy you can use.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by blueash

One frequent poster who claims to have no agenda in either supporting or rejecting the efficacy of HCQ for Covid seems only to post opinions or studies showing some benefit.

Here is the preprint report of exactly your concern.

A Cluster-Randomized Trial of Hydroxychloroquine as Prevention of Covid-19 Transmission and Disease | medRxiv

A randomized study looking at whether using HCQ early makes a difference. Done in Spain they identified patients ill with Covid then randomized 2300 persons exposed to the sick person to either receive HCQ or not.

The primary outcome was whether those who got HCQ were less likely to become ill with Covid in the 14 days following exposure. Answer NO DIFFERENCE

Secondary outcome were those who got HCQ less like to test positive even if they had no symptoms. Answer NO DIFFERENCE

You can "believe" in whatever you like. Believing is not how science works. Believing is the placebo effect. The FDA has removed authorization for emergency use of HCQ in an outpatient population for Covid based on its extensive review of available information.

The overwhelming evidence is that HCQ does not benefit Covid patients for prevention, for early treatment or for late treatment. What is great about science is that studies continue to be done and the evidence may turn the other way. But the evidence now is that your doctor is right to not let you decide what is a good medication based on what you believe.

Thanks, very informative post. Most likely no one in TV land will die from what you wrote. But, what will be the future stats on various other opinions?????

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by blueash

One frequent poster who claims to have no agenda in either supporting or rejecting the efficacy of HCQ for Covid seems only to post opinions or studies showing some benefit.

Here is the preprint report of exactly your concern.

A Cluster-Randomized Trial of Hydroxychloroquine as Prevention of Covid-19 Transmission and Disease | medRxiv

A randomized study looking at whether using HCQ early makes a difference. Done in Spain they identified patients ill with Covid then randomized 2300 persons exposed to the sick person to either receive HCQ or not.

The primary outcome was whether those who got HCQ were less likely to become ill with Covid in the 14 days following exposure. Answer NO DIFFERENCE

Secondary outcome were those who got HCQ less like to test positive even if they had no symptoms. Answer NO DIFFERENCE

You can "believe" in whatever you like. Believing is not how science works. Believing is the placebo effect. The FDA has removed authorization for emergency use of HCQ in an outpatient population for Covid based on its extensive review of available information.

The overwhelming evidence is that HCQ does not benefit Covid patients for prevention, for early treatment or for late treatment. What is great about science is that studies continue to be done and the evidence may turn the other way. But the evidence now is that your doctor is right to not let you decide what is a good medication based on what you believe.

If someone "overplays" the danger of CV in TV, what do they lose? - A few rounds of golf or drinks, or pickle ball? But if they "underplay" CV in TV then ??????

[Kathleen Sheaffer]

I would like to know the names of many doctors who say this is good to use. Please tell me their names.

[Dana1963]

I’ll possibly watch Christian Broadcast Network for religion not news and I never watc Pat Roberts

Originally Posted by NJRICHARD

Hydroxychloroquine Study Finds the Drug 'Significantly' Cuts Death Rate | CBN News

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by xNYer

I went to my doctor and asked if he would prescribe a statin if I got COVID 19. He refused, so I repeated my request saying there has been along history with statin and use and I am unaware of any deaths from it. I told him what have I got to lose? He still refused so I must seek another doctor who is willing to prescribe things I read about.

are you serious or is this a joke. statins have a number of side effects. one of the most dangerous is rhabdomyolysis. it's when muscle cells break down. it can lead to renal failure. fortunately, patients are cautioned when put on it (or should be) to report any unexplained muscle aches because that is a symptom. so many people avoid this. as a pharmacist in a hospital I have seen patients admitted in very serious condition with this from being on statins so it does happen.

no medication should be prescribed unless there is a demonstrated need for it. all medications have side effects and how each individual patient reacts is never totally known. as a pharmacist, to me the best doctors (and the ones I always looked for when I needed a doctor) were those that didn't prescribe a lot of medications. the patients who fared the worst were the ones with pages of meds. given by doctors to basically "shut them up".

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Dana1963

No wonder they pushing Hydroxychlorquine Peter Navarro is sitting on 60 million douses and no countries are buying them after multiple negative results worldwide

Good post. A true bullseye. We need the investigative reporters to chase that down. Under that rug, there could be a lot of undesireable insects.

[Trishakaye]

Originally Posted by LoisR

Why would you want to do this? Every legitimate scientific study has shown that it has no beneficial treatment effect on Covid-19. You might consider trying Oreo Cookies and Coca Cola. At least it will taste better. Better yet, would you consider drinking Chlorox?

I think you may be wrong. A study in 2008 by the National Institute of Health said that hydroxy given at early stage of corona virus was beneficial to “some “ Dr Fauci was head of the institute at that time

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

https://www.fox10tv.com/news/coronav...ada19c75d.html

this is the reason we keep hearing about this drug. the US bought up huge quantities of it and are now stuck with it.....all because an initial study of 20 patients touted it's success...a study later removed from publication because it was deemed no valid

and again, any doctor can order this drug for any reason if they feel it will help. but it is not the miracle cure that some people think it is.

Great post and link.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Joanne19335

For those who read The Daily Sun, please read the article on page C6 about Arrhythmia. Although it doesn’t mention that it is a side effect of hydroxychloroquine because of the paper’s support of the present administration, I need only ask everyone one question: Do you feel lucky? For those of you who take few or no meds and believe you are so healthy, why not simply wear your masks and practice social distancing rather than follow the rantings of a disillusioned leader who praises a quack witch doctor who believes in alien DNA but criticizes the world’s most renowned epidemiologist? Think about it.

2 good posts, double touche!

[blueash]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Here is a link, posted previously in the thread that lists 65 studies, several from July

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 65 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment

You know that people are not going to click a link to 65 "global" studies. Perhaps you could summarize those studies for all of us. Your conclusion suggests there are 65 studies showing a high effectiveness [not sure what defines high] for HCQ.

I will await your summary. Please also let us know about how many studies have been published or pre-print on the subject of whether HCQ is beneficial. Maybe this link has listed all the data. Maybe it has listed a very few studies while ignoring all the other ones that failed to show any benefit.

Just as a teaser.. here's one study your link touted as evidence of effectiveness if given early.
Done in Brazil they recruited by telemedicine people with symptoms consistent with Covid. The recommended HCQ and AZ for all of them. Some filled the scripts, some refused. Then they looked at hospitalization rates. Covid testing was NOT DONE. The rate of hospitalization was higher in the refused group. That is garbage science. It proves nothing about Covid. It proves that sick people given an antibiotic, azithromycin, or with early malaria, HCQ get better than people who take nothing. It is absolutely certain that a number of the sick people had something other than Covid. Some had strep, some had bacterial pneumonia, some had sinusitis or bronchitis.

You offer garbage science to support your "belief" and apparently think we are unable to use our BS detectors. The most recent study on your link they call inconclusive. The authors of the study disagree. The authors of the study state that their study shows NO benefit to HCQ. So in summary, while awaiting your detailed analysis.. The authors of the link mis-categorize studies showing no benefit as neutral and promote garbage as proving benefit. I did not read all of them. But enough to see how useless your link is for proving anything beyond an agenda.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Trishakaye

I think you may be wrong. A study in 2008 by the National Institute of Health said that hydroxy given at early stage of corona virus was beneficial to “some “ Dr Fauci was head of the institute at that time

2008........Corona Virus.

Don't think that virus existed in 2008, so you are listening to the Fauci personal bashing and truth does not sit well with that group