[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by John41

You are correct. What doesn’t fit the media narrative doesn’t get reported. And what does get reported is distorted. Blake now admits to Wisconsin DOJ he had a weapon on the floor of his car, a knife, while he was reaching down inside his car. If the black community had a reputation for being law abiding, hard working instead of welfare dependents then there would be no issue with the police. Why doesn’t the media give attention to the successful blacks to create a more positive image?

Thinking the term, "welfare dependent" is by itself racist and demeaning. Blacks have had 300 years of being treated as 2nd class citizens. Is there no empathy in White people's hearts. Just being born White is NOT any accomplishment to be SSSSOOO PROUD of. After I heard Doc Rivers say, " why doesn't this country LOVE us back? - I felt some guilt about that. I see flaws in the "I was born white" and Blacks are all bad - type of argument. Sounds like some KKK wanta-be propaganda.

[rakopacz@comcast.net]

So I guess you don’t have a problem with cold-blooded murder by police officers? That’s acceptable to you? I don’t care whether they’re black or white that was murder and cops are murdering Black people at an alarming rate. Get real and stop making excuses for the cops that are racist.

[Mendy]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Tony Timpa, google his name. You’ll get the local news coverage, complete with video, but no national coverage. But there were a few minor differences that make Tony’s story even worse...

This is a horrific video and extremely sad. Absolutely no reason/excuse for the cops to act like this. This is precisely why people are enraged by police brutality.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Thinking the term, "welfare dependent" is by itself racist and demeaning. Blacks have had 300 years of being treated as 2nd class citizens. Is there no empathy in White people's hearts. Just being born White is NOT any accomplishment to be SSSSOOO PROUD of. After I heard Doc Rivers say, " why doesn't this country LOVE us back? - I felt some guilt about that. I see flaws in the "I was born white" and Blacks are all bad - type of argument. Sounds like some KKK wanta-be propaganda.

If you feel guilt, then likely you did something wrong. "300 years of being treated as 2nd class citizens" is not my fault and I refuse to feel guilty for it. Of course, my family was not even here before the civil war. And I am of a multi-ethnicity family, so I guess I get a certain amount of leeway. I have never treated anyone wrong specifically due to their color or gender....... If I ever feel guilt, it will be only due to the act or negligence that has not been or ever will be related to someone's color. I was not raised that way.
So, with that in mind I still do not believe there is systemic racism in our country. But, after all the cities burn, due to dirtbags getting questionable treatment by law enforcement, and because some folks deem it to be due to systemic racism, it is likely that many normally sympathetic and decent folks will reluctantly view these activities with race based bias. Tear up my country and I have NO sympathy for you. And don't get me wrong, at least half of the felons burning down and destroying property in the videos I have seen are WHITE. Anarchists are the enemy of America and I have no tolerance for them. They can hide behind the "racism" theme all they want, but they are felons and felons do not deserve any slack.

Personally, I can see no reason that any of these politicians running the cities and allowing anarchists burn and destroy should get reelected. Letting civil unrest go by without consequence is unconscionable and they do not deserve a position of responsibility. If this was not an election year, none of this would be tolerated. I will leave it at that so that this is not deemed a political statement.

I see no reason for anyone on here to feel guilty unless they have committed a wrong on someone base solely on their color.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by rakopacz@comcast.net

So I guess you don’t have a problem with cold-blooded murder by police officers? That’s acceptable to you? I don’t care whether they’re black or white that was murder and cops are murdering Black people at an alarming rate. Get real and stop making excuses for the cops that are racist.

In the effort needed to get real, what is the "cops murdering Black people" rate VS cops murdering white (or any other than black) people rate?

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by rakopacz@comcast.net

So I guess you don’t have a problem with cold-blooded murder by police officers? That’s acceptable to you? I don’t care whether they’re black or white that was murder and cops are murdering Black people at an alarming rate. Get real and stop making excuses for the cops that are racist.

That is an exaggeration. Blacks are not getting "murdered" by the police any more than Whites. If you would simply look up the FBI stats on police shootings in America, you would see that so many citizens are being duped by the media.
99.9% of law enforcement officers are great citizens and pubic servants. To demean them without justifiable proof is irresponsible and the media is irresponsible.

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009

You're wasting your time with people in the villages. I have tried myself to educate these people on the realities of being black in America. I described my own experience where I lost my drivers license when I was 17 because I got pulled over on a regular basis when I had black friends in the car. When I got back from the army I had a letter from the governor that said my license had been suspended for 1 year due to points. Luckily my time in the army wiped out my points.

I could describe all of my encounters with the police and it would shock most people. But on this crowd it would be a waste of time.

I also described in detail the war on crime and its effects on the black population. Millions jailed, privatized prisons etc, etc and nothing comes of it with these people.

Don't get me wrong. I think most of the people here are great. Even the racist ones are at their core, decent individuals because it's just their views that are racist. They don't seem to be the violent kind. They just believe that not breaking the law and cooperating with the police solves all the problems blacks face in America. This comes from their perspective and you can't change a person's perception of another person's reality if they're not willing to see the difference.

A person said that man came to her door and wanted to talk about her roof. Other neighbors were having theirs replaced etc and she said that this guy was a conman because of his race which she said we all know which one she was talking about but it would be politically incorrect to say it. She wasn't afraid of this black man because she went on to say she followed him around so she could warn her neighbors that this man was a crook and not to listen to him. It turns out he was a legitimate employee of a legitimate company that was in the area replacing roofs. This is the type of racism we have here. The non-violent kind.

The unfortunate aspect of this, is the use of criminals to show this perspective of black life. As you said, it's not the best of what the black race has to offer.

Be prepared for statistical arguments and logic if you bring up racism. No matter what you say it's not going to change the minds of people who can't see past the white world they experience.

"No matter what you say it's not going to change the minds of people who can't see past the white world they experience."


THAT sums it up perfectly.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009

You're wasting your time with people in the villages. I have tried myself to educate these people on the realities of being black in America. I described my own experience where I lost my drivers license when I was 17 because I got pulled over on a regular basis when I had black friends in the car. When I got back from the army I had a letter from the governor that said my license had been suspended for 1 year due to points. Luckily my time in the army wiped out my points.

I could describe all of my encounters with the police and it would shock most people. But on this crowd it would be a waste of time.

I also described in detail the war on crime and its effects on the black population. Millions jailed, privatized prisons etc, etc and nothing comes of it with these people.

Don't get me wrong. I think most of the people here are great. Even the racist ones are at their core, decent individuals because it's just their views that are racist. They don't seem to be the violent kind. They just believe that not breaking the law and cooperating with the police solves all the problems blacks face in America. This comes from their perspective and you can't change a person's perception of another person's reality if they're not willing to see the difference.

A person said that man came to her door and wanted to talk about her roof. Other neighbors were having theirs replaced etc and she said that this guy was a conman because of his race which she said we all know which one she was talking about but it would be politically incorrect to say it. She wasn't afraid of this black man because she went on to say she followed him around so she could warn her neighbors that this man was a crook and not to listen to him. It turns out he was a legitimate employee of a legitimate company that was in the area replacing roofs. This is the type of racism we have here. The non-violent kind.

The unfortunate aspect of this, is the use of criminals to show this perspective of black life. As you said, it's not the best of what the black race has to offer.

Be prepared for statistical arguments and logic if you bring up racism. No matter what you say it's not going to change the minds of people who can't see past the white world they experience.

What a good, comprehensive perspective you give to this topic. I like the example of the roofing company employee. And a good understanding of TV Land. Keep up your comments. And thanks for the service.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Mendy

This is a horrific video and extremely sad. Absolutely no reason/excuse for the cops to act like this. This is precisely why people are enraged by police brutality.

But the media have twisted it to make it a race issue. They sensationalized Floyd’s death and ignored Timpa’s. One black, one white. The media feeds off ratings and race issues are good for ratings...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

If Floyd was white he would still be alive.

Maybe. A white man would be more apt to listen to the police and not try to resist arrest. Intelligent people do not tussle with police and are smart enough to know that if you don't do as they command you to do, you get hurt or worse.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Tony Timpa was the white George Floyd - he’s dead. They died the same way, but there were a few differences; Timpa wasn’t being arrested for committing a crime and the police in the Timpa case weren’t charged...

From what I have read about Tony Timpa, he was "strung out" because he had stopped taking his medication which treated a mental health condition. He was scared and called the police for help. That is a very sad story.

Originally Posted by oldtimes

Anyone regardless of color who comes to your door soliciting is not legit Good contractors do not need to go door to door soliciting on how to rip off the insurance companies.

She specifically said

"It's politically incorrect for me to tell you what race he is but we ALL know what race I'm talking about".

How is that not racist?

She said he was a conman not someone violating a no solicitation rule. Maybe he was doing something wrong but why bring up his race? I guess his race helps to prove he was a conman or a scammer.

[Red White & Blue]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

The media chose to give us Floyds story 24/7 for days, they chose not to do the same for Tony Timpa, even though his story was even worse. The big difference was that Floyd was black and Timpa was white. The news media decides what you should be outraged about. If it was really about the police’s use of force, the Timpa story would have played 24/7 also. It’s not MAN dies that sells, it BLACK MAN dies.

It has NOTHING to do with a Black man being killed its all about something we are not allowed to talk about on here.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Interesting how it is the slimebag criminals that are the victims. Complaints of criminals being mistreated by the police, and using race as a tool? Just goes to show you how naive some folks (the protected) are when it comes to common sense. Sorry if I do not sympathize with the plight of criminals, regardless of ethnicity. Racial profiling is not the same thing as "systemic racism." Although, it does seem that WHITE cops are being racially profiled or singled out when it comes to implied misuse of authority. Police Depts. have their own Internal Affairs section that investigates bad conduct of their officers. The media and the average civilian has no clue as to what is authorized/practiced police procedure. I have heard ignorant folks ask why "warning shots" were not used, rubber bullets, and social workers instead of physical restraint or lethal force.
This whole thing went totally out of control after a certain person of power stated that "the police acted stupidly" when they arrested his friend a few years ago. Criminals are given way too many chances to modify their illegal, unaccepted behavior. Time to give them the same consideration that they give to their victims. And when a police officer gives an order, if the slimebag does not comply, he should not be given any second thought as to how civil he is treated.
In the old West, gun slingers were hired to clean up an out of control town. Once that was done, the gun slinger lawman was then run out of town because he was an embarrassment and a reminder of how impotent and weak the civilians were. Now, we are seeing the same thing. Defund the police because a social worker can do their jobs. What a laugh. What a joke. What a pathetic and stupid idea. LAW ENFORCEMENT is done by law enforcement officers, not social workers.
Floyd died as a result of an overdose, NOT by being strangled to death. Blake resisted arrest and attempted to grab a lethal weapon to use against the police and was shot. Two individuals with major crimes in their record. Two dirtbags that have resulted in civilians taking up arms and destroying property and killing civilians and police. These two are your champions for justice? Why choose the worst of examples? Why not protest the killing of a retired police Capt who was a GOOD example?

I agree that Floyd's name would not even be known if he was white. But, whites do not have any reason to believe that the police are automatically biased against their color. How do you convince a minority that the majority supports their equal rights but does not condone or advocate bad and unlawful behavior any more than they should? We do not convince anyone by destroying or killing.

Equal rights includes equal responsibility. Laws are not racist. Laws are the same for everyone, not based on color. That idea of laws based on color was destroyed decades ago. Some continue to state that blacks are incarcerated more than whites. OK, but answer one question; did those blacks that were incarcerated break the law? Does it really matter what the ratio of black to white population when it comes to the origination of the crime? Are we going to excuse criminal behavior based on the color of the dirtbag?

Well, that was well written and the point was beaten into oblivion, beaten to death. Of course, I disagree with all of it. I have just 2 questions or small points. 1) I know of a Police officer in Spokane, Wa. that agreed with my idea of rubber bullets for all officer carry, in addition to lead of course. Why NOT try it. What have they got to lose? And in this last incident with Blake, the Tasers did no good. It would have been a great situation for rubber bullets. The Police reputation among Blacks is shattered. They do not FEEL "served and protected"! Whites are apprehensive and are afraid of abuse in many Police stops. I know for a fact that in St. Pete, Fl. the Police would make money for their Department and had "QUOTAS" for making X number of stops. It was like a production bonus. There are speed traps in Okeechobee.

2 )Police, themselves, say they hate going to domestic disputes. They say, " We are NOT social workers". I agree with that and it seems like the Police are asking for social worker help.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MaxCat

Checking our own unconscious bias . . .

When I was a young man, I wanted to change the world.

I found it was difficult to change the world, so I tried to change my nation.

When I found I couldn’t change the nation, I began to focus on my town. I couldn’t change the town and as an older man, I tried to change my family.

Now, as an old man, I realize the only thing I can change is myself, and suddenly I realize that if long ago I had changed myself, I could have made an impact on my family. My family and I could have made an impact on our town. Their impact could have changed the nation and I could indeed have changed the world.

Conscious inclusion creates natural diversity…and it starts with a choice. Be inclusive…it’s your choice.

That was nice. I will try to act that way. Good advice.