[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Sounds like someone is doing exactly what they accuse others of doing "...wasting your time with people in the villages." Blatantly grouping one demographic as being a certain way or living a certain behavioral pattern.

What makes certain WHITE folks believe they are the experts on "BLACK Americans?"

Please include:

What makes certain BLACK folks believe they are the experts on the majority of "Black Americans".

The current focus on the continual dividing of everything into terms of black or white is the epitome and hypocrisy of racism.

[MaxCat]

Checking our own unconscious bias . . .

When I was a young man, I wanted to change the world.

I found it was difficult to change the world, so I tried to change my nation.

When I found I couldn’t change the nation, I began to focus on my town. I couldn’t change the town and as an older man, I tried to change my family.

Now, as an old man, I realize the only thing I can change is myself, and suddenly I realize that if long ago I had changed myself, I could have made an impact on my family. My family and I could have made an impact on our town. Their impact could have changed the nation and I could indeed have changed the world.

Conscious inclusion creates natural diversity…and it starts with a choice. Be inclusive…it’s your choice.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

really? the Pew Research Center : Pew Research Center is a nonpartisan fact tank that informs the public about the issues, attitudes and trends shaping the world. We conduct public opinion polling, demographic research, content analysis and other data-driven social science research. We do not take policy positions.

but maybe this one will be more scientific for you.

Findings - The Stanford Open Policing Project

It's still opinion, not fact.

[hipplepi]

media and the “white sissy privilege “ group will never bring up these facts. Who needs the Police?
answer: the bad guys!

thank God for second amendment

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by quietpine

What do you think should be reported in “national media”, please enlighten us?

Just the news. What used to be a half hour of actual news reporting has become hours of show production to keep people tuned in to sell their ads. Opinions, discussions, dissecting, regurgitating over and over and adding their own spin along the way. They are not news reporters anymore they are entertainers paid to keep their ratings up.

[diane reynolds]

And what is the percentage of black people population wise in this country? Compare apples with apples.

[Swoop]

[QUOTE=Bonnevie;1824097]

Originally Posted by Swoop

true but as I explained there was no cell phone video. and the body cam video wasn't released until over a year later and only when the news media fought to get it. it would have been a very newsworthy story that police were on video joking while a white man died. but the death was hushed up.

The media chose to give us Floyds story 24/7 for days, they chose not to do the same for Tony Timpa, even though his story was even worse. The big difference was that Floyd was black and Timpa was white. The news media decides what you should be outraged about. If it was really about the police’s use of force, the Timpa story would have played 24/7 also. It’s not MAN dies that sells, it BLACK MAN dies.

[Denvercane]

Originally Posted by Bjeanj

Swoop, cite your source(s), and name of victim, please.

5 year old white boy who was murdered by a black man in his own yard. Can you even remember his name. Happened less than a week ago. No riot, looting or burning buildings. And please use the term "police" as if all of them are bad. My son is a police officer and regardless of your beliefs, he will come to your aid. He will put his life on the line for you. There are bad people in EVERY employment. But in the black world, there are more. Lots of reasons and most are self inflicted. Fatherless family is by far the leading factor. Black men as a rule don't take responsibility for the children.

[airstreamingypsy]

If Floyd was white he would still be alive.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by MaxCat

Checking our own unconscious bias . . .

When I was a young man, I wanted to change the world.

I found it was difficult to change the world, so I tried to change my nation.

When I found I couldn’t change the nation, I began to focus on my town. I couldn’t change the town and as an older man, I tried to change my family.

Now, as an old man, I realize the only thing I can change is myself, and suddenly I realize that if long ago I had changed myself, I could have made an impact on my family. My family and I could have made an impact on our town. Their impact could have changed the nation and I could indeed have changed the world.

Conscious inclusion creates natural diversity…and it starts with a choice. Be inclusive…it’s your choice.

Inclusion into our American society means that one must be assimilated. Inclusion by itself without assimilation means that one resists being part of the whole. We have an American culture, not Polish, not German and not African. To be treated the same, or to be included as part of the American family, one must want to be assimilated into the American culture. We are Americans, not Polish-Americans, not German Americans and not African-Americans. Just plain Americans. And simple example of assimilation is black artists that sing country songs. They are not black country singers, just country singers. Country music is NOT a white thing; it's just an American thing.
Time to stop saying "a black man was killed by the police today" and just say "a man was killed by the police today..." The media and those wishing to separate and demean blacks, making them lower where they can control them tend to excuse their behavior when they violate rules, when they would not tolerate the same behavior from white folks. This is demeaning to blacks and makes them feel inferior. Expect the same behavior and ethics as you do with whites and they will shrug off the excuses, gain respect and become just as productive as the rest of America. To respect them is not to treat them special but to treat them with color blindness. And require the same from them. And some day all folks will treat blonds equal to other intelligent people.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

If Floyd was white he would still be alive.

Tony Timpa was the white George Floyd - he’s dead. They died the same way, but there were a few differences; Timpa wasn’t being arrested for committing a crime and the police in the Timpa case weren’t charged...

[Mrwaynet@gmail.com]

Man you are killing me. Your post is so off line. Man if you can’t see the injustice going on in America right now then you are part of the problem. Black Live Matter. You are not getting it. Give me a break. I need to stop reading some of the comments on TTV because it just so racist. Unbelievable that people feels this way. We are such a divided country right now.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Mrwaynet@gmail.com

. Black Live Matter. .

All lives matter.


Also, when you capitalize each word in Black Lives Matter (assuming you did not mean "Live"), you are talking about the organization, not making a statement. There are a lot of issues with Black Lives Matter.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

I think the reactions to these killings bring to mind how all black men regardless of social status can recount times they were stopped by police for no good reason. what I learned at the gathering by the African American club held after the George Floyd incident, is that it's now "if" but "how old were you when" you were first stopped by police. Even Sen. Tim Scott has written about how he's been stopped and how he was called boy and the officer had his hand on a weapon. Per his account:He described several encounters with police, including one where he was stopped because the officer suspected his car was stolen. He described a similar incident that happened to his brother, a command sergeant major in the U.S. Army. And he told the story of a staffer who was "pulled over so many times here in D.C. for absolutely no reason other than driving a nice car." The staffer eventually traded in his Chrysler for a "more obscure form of transportation" because "he was tired of being targeted."

none of these recent killings has the Black person being shot been the most shining example of their race, but it represents the extreme of the experience that all have experienced.

It's easy for us to say just follow what police tell you....we are not victims of the discriminatory practice of "driving while Black". it doesn't happen just once in their lives, it happens over and over. Can you imagine how annoying it would be to be driving somewhere you need to be and being pulled over for nothing. how degrading that feeling is? now multiply it....the anger is pushed down until something extreme happens and then it erupts.

look how some people are responding to not wearing masks-- the outrage over their "rights" as Americans not to wear a mask. from recent article: "Armed anti-mask protesters gathered outside the Ohio statehouse on Saturday for a 'civil disobedience rally' guarded by armed militia and military veterans.
Ohio does not yet have a statewide mandate on wearing masks but several groups converged Saturday afternoon to push back on the requirements already introduced in several counties.Hundreds of maskless people crowded together outside the courthouse in Columbus to voice their anger, claiming a requirement for face coverings is an overreach by local officials." ARMED militia over wearing masks????

Yet we give no consideration to how Blacks feel when their rights are infringed upon routinely. They are expected to just accept their treatment and have to give talks to their children how to avoid being killed during a police stop, something I never had to do to my white child.

People point to the looting and I oppose that as well but I'm not entirely sure some of these armed militia aren't stoking that to cause violence to advance their own causes.

That was a great post! It showed a lot of empathy. As to who is sparking the looting - I saw one incident months back in, I believe, NYC. It was approaching dusk and the protesting was all peaceful at that time - the TV cameras showed a crowd scene - I watch one white guy about age 20 to 25 with no mask on pushing a cart. This cart was large and filled with fist-sized broken concrete rocks. He stopped it to the rear of the thick part of the crowd. He then LEFT it there and walked AWAY. I thought that was strange. And I wished that the camera could have followed him around. Did he move more carts of rocks? Was this a preplanned move by some(?) anarchy group? Later after dark, the store windows and doors for about 2 streets were broken and the looting began.

[Byte1]

Apparently, you are racist if you side with the police. The Blake incident is another case where the subject was a felon and was wanted in connection of three crimes. There was a warrant out for his arrest and the police had been radioed that information. He had a knife in his car and it appeared he was reaching for it. So, after being tased and ordered to stop, he ignored the police and went for it anyway. Maybe he had no intention of getting it and was just going to drive away. Maybe he should not have been shot seven times. That's for the court to decide, NOT an unlawful group of rioters. Protesters become felons when they burn down businesses or shoot people, including the police that were doing their jobs. There is NO excuse for civil disturbance such as we are seeing. NO ONE can excuse those people. If ordered to stand down, and they ignore the order, then they should be arrested and incarcerated. The racial argument has absolutely NO bearing on this rioting, destruction of property and murder. If there is a question as to the lawful shooting of a subject, the court has jurisdiction, not an unlawful group intent on committing more crime.

Floyd is the same situation. Only Floyd was not shot. He died of an overdose. Even if the Cop was instrumental in his death, the court has jurisdiction, not an unlawful crowd bent on committing felonies. That is why we have laws. The court is always the avenue for justice, not more crime.

There is NO systemic racism in America. That is only a political tool being used to change our country.

"There is a certain class of race problem-solvers who don't want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public." --BTW