[ithos]

Originally Posted by Normal

Anyone that is honest with themselves, knows how very blessed they were to be born on this side of a man made line called a border. Groups of political leaders decided where these country borders should be and they can change at any given time. People born on the other side of the line are equal in humanity in every way shape and form. They cross the “government” line and all of a sudden some think they are some kind of subhuman species.

At times I’m torn by the fact that I want to enjoy what I think I have built up for myself and the very fact that we are all human with the distinction of having made up borders. What gives me the right to say me first?

The law enacted on July 1 is a good one, because it establishes order. The more people we have, the more order we need. I also feel like I have no right to kick others out just because I was blessed enough to be born here and they got the short end of the proverbial stick.

Your arguments are based on emotion and not logic and reason. If you want to do the most good for the most people then your idea of just letting the rest of the world just relocate to first world countries will only affect a tiny percentage of the worlds population. And it is obvious that when countries are depleted of their younger and more ambitious citizens, then the ones left behind will be worse off. In some countries entire villages are left uninhabited.

It is a noble cause to make attempts to raise the standard of living of third world countries and I believe relatively prosperous countries like ours should take measures to achieve that. First we should try and bring peace to as many countries as possible instead of instigating armed conflict. Secondly, we should promote education, free market and republican principles. Many countries in Asia have succeeded this way so why not others?

And may I add, stop shoving expensive and unreliable "renewable" power generation down their throat.

[jebartle]

Originally Posted by Marine1974

It’s already easy for these people to come into our country. Not all are willing to work because they are bring illegal and deadly drugs into our country and are human traffickers. 60 billion a year untaxed dollars are going back to Mexico . They use our services and don’t pay income taxes . Hope that helps you choose correctly.

Too broad a brush, and who is this guy "they" (he sure gets around)!!! Many many, many administrations have tried to "FIX" immigration laws, hmmmm!, how is that working so far, it's beyond blaming "d's and r's", obviously our employers are screaming for help, the pandemic didn't help, so where do we go from here I'm curious REALLY how many American employees lost their job to immigrants or do they "Move on Up" to a better paying job, hmmm! If we could just keep our posts to facts and not fiction, maybe then, the truth will be the answer.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Caymus

Which border? US and Canada?

What is a border? Did you get to choose the side you would be born on? What effort did you place into becoming an American? Myself, none, although I did honorably serve in the armed forces. I’m not for open immigration, I’m also not close minded. The government needs to get on the stick and pass some laws. We don’t even have enough workers to open a 7/11 in Magnolia plaza.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Normal

What is a border? Did you get to choose the side you would be born on? What effort did you place into becoming an American? Myself, none, although I did honorably serve in the armed forces. I’m not for open immigration, I’m also not close minded. The government needs to get on the stick and pass some laws. We don’t even have enough workers to open a 7/11 in Magnolia plaza.

That may be a different problem. When you take an area larger than Manhatten and make it unavailable to working-age people it should be no surprise that there are a shortage of workers.

[Carlsondm]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

Interesting to check your personal response:

A) Get the job finished before the labor pool shrinks and costs more
B) follow the rules first, and the system will work for everybody equally . .

Now if your response is an A response, think about why:
most likely its low cost and an acceptable small wait period due to abundant cheap labor
you personally feel good about getting good value for your dollar and in a reasonable time

Now if your response is a B response, think about why:
most likely its about the fairness, equality, country, control

Now thinks about why the two are in conflict in your mind:
When I apply for a management job, I have to provide legal identification and proof of eligibility to work
After I fill out the form, I feel its a pain in the ass, but some comfort that there are eligibility gates for people coming for your income.

But when I am paying out for the job, I prefer good value, cheap labor who performs well.
I don't care about the labor details of the people, as long as its cheap and well done.

Your typical human response is B is good for the country and the citizens, but A is good for me. .
The national economic strategy is best value for your hard earned money. . but does how enter your decision?


This is how most people think/feel. . but if you have to pick one, which do you pick?
everyone follows the rules, no special treatment or loopholes, or good value for your hard earned money, the cheaper the better no matter how its achieved?

if you take the time to really analyze the source of your thoughts and feelings,
they might well be in conflict as described above. . . which should make BOTH sides of your brain hurt

just food for thought about your social contract when buying services.

It's a stupid rule, considering how difficult staffing for labor jobs has been. Look at who is competing for the jobs. Not many out-of-work Floridians (that the Gov states he is protecting). Some of the contractors in our village have been waiting for workers so they can finish 2 year old projects. I'd like to see the analysis and discussion of that legislation. Doesn't seem well thought out.
Surely there is a better way to get people back to work. Also, how will the newly unemployed workers affected by this law pay their bills? Chew on that a bit.

[I'm Popeye!]

Originally Posted by JoelJohnson

We have a major problem getting people to work. So why don't we make it easy for these people to come into the country legally? They are willing to do the jobs that most Americans do not want to do. They pay taxes from their pay and when they buy stuff. MOST just want what we want, peace, safety and a place to raise a family without the fear of being killed.

Sure, they are ready now to do the job.
But don't be fooled!
Once they are in and have SS cards, driver's licenses, and married our daughters, they will be like the rest of our Lazy (I want it for free) Americans...

[Pugchief]

Not sure what the argument is here.

Everyone should be in FAVOR of legal immigration for people who will WORK and contribute productively to US society

and AGAINST illegal immigration of people who will become WELFARE recipients in any form and be unproductive drain on the economy.

It's really pretty simple.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

That may be a different problem. When you take an area larger than Manhatten and make it unavailable to working-age people it should be no surprise that there are a shortage of workers.

Or, if the past generation decided having kids was uncool and now the largest “Boomer” generation is mostly retired, where will the workers come from?

[Byte1]

Immigration laws do not matter if they are not enforced. When the powers that be order that those that break the laws of the land get a free pass, then having laws is all just a fancy facade. American citizen want Illegal Aliens in our country for one reason only. They want cheap labor and do not care how they get it. Even if it means by illegal means. "Everyone else is doing it." We have a work permit program and we have a visa program and green card program for those that wish to legally enter our country. What would your rather have in your country, those that support our laws or those that break our laws to begin their residency?
For some reason, we get new laws like the old laws but no one ever enforces them. It's much easier to enforce laws on decent folks that might exceed the speed limit once in a while or park illegally.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Immigration laws do not matter if they are not enforced. When the powers that be order that those that break the laws of the land get a free pass, then having laws is all just a fancy facade. American citizen want Illegal Aliens in our country for one reason only. They want cheap labor and do not care how they get it. Even if it means by illegal means. "Everyone else is doing it." We have a work permit program and we have a visa program and green card program for those that wish to legally enter our country. What would your rather have in your country, those that support our laws or those that break our laws to begin their residency?
For some reason, we get new laws like the old laws but no one ever enforces them. It's much easier to enforce laws on decent folks that might exceed the speed limit once in a while or park illegally.

So those that violate the driving laws are decent folk but those that break the immigration laws are not? Is there a list somewhere of which laws are okay for decent folk to violate? I suspect that more harm is caused by those that exceed the speed limit than by those who come looking for work.

[RCMill531@comcast.net]

Exactly! It’s ruining our country.

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by huge-pigeons

Now congress is thinking about giving illegals social security when social security is going to run into financial issues in 2034.
Anybody living here, needs to work, pay taxes and pay into social security and before anybody gets a dime off the tax payers that work

WOW..... So let me get this straight… You are saying that speaker Kevin McCarthy who is the speaker of the house of representatives and is the leader of the political party that controls the house of representatives is thinking about giving illegals Social Security!?!?!?!? Because you do know that anything that has to do with monetary appropriations originates in the house of representatives. Can you give us one shred of evidence to back up your statement, or does this fall in to the "many people are saying" category?:
We'll wait.......

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by huge-pigeons

Most of the illegals live off of our taxes for quite some time after they come into our country. Right now, NYC is putting the illegals up in expensive hotels, they are given money, phone, free health care, free school, etc.. all on our dime. Then some people want to hire illegals under the table so they don’t pay taxes. I think a lot of illegals don’t pay taxes mainly because if they don’t have a social security #, then they don’t pay taxes. Now congress is thinking about giving illegals social security when social security is going to run into financial issues in 2034.
Anybody living here, needs to work, pay taxes and pay into social security and before anybody gets a dime off the tax payers that work

Per your last sentence, are you proposing to eliminate the spouse SS benefit? No work required to receive it.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

Canada must be an evil country (NOT) with these immigration requirements:
Documents for Express Entry - Canada.ca

Mexico, as well...

"What are the Requirements for a Mexico Temporary Resident Visa?

Proof of family relationship, for Mexico Family Visas.
Proof of enrollment in a Mexico educational institution, for Mexico Student Visa.
Proof you have obtained a Mexico Work Permit and a copy of your work contract if applying for a Mexico Work Visa."

How dare they!!!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

WE DO NOT HAVE OPEN BORDERS. Those of us who don't have a problem with immigrants don’t want open borders, we just want immigration policies that make sense. A good place to start is admitting that we need immigrant labor. If you don’t think so talk to a farmer. In order for immigrants to stop acting as a wage suppressant, we might try treating them like human beings rather than things that exist purely for the purpose of exploitation.

Another part of the equation would be foreign policy objectives that seek to help stabilize the economies of countries where asylum-seekers are coming from. The current crisis on our southern border is due to intolerable living conditions in failing states in Central America. If we don’t deal with these tottering states the crisis will never end. Sometimes anyplace-else is better than where you are.

My friends want common sense immigration policies that treat immigrant labor with simple humanity rather than crass exploitation. This is a country built by immigrants. It seems to me that an immovable anti-immigrant position is just a denial of our historical legacy.

Sure... 2.76 MILLION illegal crossings in 2022 show the border is tighter than a duck's @ss...

1.66 Million in 2021...

400K in 2020...

I'm sensing a trend...