[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by soniak4@gmail.com

Glad you asked the question. Although it can easily be Google’d, asking the question in a public forum raises awareness. The tragedy behind Juneteenth was never taught in history classes. Perhaps now it will be and really, must be. As a person in 3 classes that have been victims of discrimination, the process of reform has to begin within everyone. Look in the mirror and ask yourself if maybe, just maybe you have something to learn.

Great post. There’s a big difference between ignorance and racism though. Lots of people who are assumed to be racist a really just ignorant. We don’t know what we don’t know...Everything we don’t know AND are too afraid to ask.

Why isn’t JuneTeenth an American holiday? I’d love to celebrate the end to slavery but I must admit this is the first time I ever even hear that word. Odd, because I’ve always loved visiting museums and reading, especially about Lincoln. I don’t know how I missed it!?!

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Cupping someones face, yuch

Yeah. Little kids wouldn’t like that either. Who would?

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

There are any number of things that are acceptable in some cultures but are considered very bad or offensive in others. Simply shaking hands is unacceptable in some cultures, while it is (generally) o.k. and common here. In New Zealand, for example, a formal Maori greeting would be terrifying to most of us.
Someone has a tag line that says something about "good people doing nothing" being bad. But, there are times when doing nothing is very much the best thing to do. Even those who have done a lot of traveling don't know all the ways to behave in different cultural situations. When confronted with something culturally unfamiliar, try to learn and understand. That is the best you can do.

Yes...but...wouldn’t it be better if one could admit what they didn’t know without being labeled as a racist?

By the way, did you know not to make the hand gesture for o.k. 👌 because some think that is offensive too.

IMO it’s too easy to always claim offense about things now. It’s a lot like crying wolf.

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Most people stay anonymous, because after some folks find others real life identities...it's been used against them or they're betrayed in some way.

As for me personally, and only speaking for myself, I couldn't care less and don't become obsessed...with knowing people's real life identities.


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(Sorry meant to reply to Gracie)

The Rosewood Wikipedia article might provide some insights about why some people prefer to maintain anonymity.
Targeting others—sometimes for only a perceived difference—has been a scary, widespread & longstanding practice which has not been exclusively racially motivated.

One can never know who might read Internet message board posts & what they might do if they had the chance. Sad but true.

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Rosewood Massacre - HISTORY

Rosewood, Florida - Wikipedia

Rosewood massacre - Wikipedia

There was one of these massacres of African-Americans not too far from what would become the Villages. This was in 1923 in Rosewood.

Thanks for posting about Rosewood. I’m glad it has been recorded albeit delayed. The Code of Silence is a real phenomenon which effectively protected folks back then but also has sadly denied posterity from learning & knowledge. Their need for restoring safety and security made silence an absolute necessity if they wanted to have any future. Their lives depended on never talking about any of it again.

We need to know a lot more about our complete American and human history if we are going to ever more fully understand each other.

One fact that stood out to me was the date of the Massacre—1923. That was fully 58 years AFTER the end of slavery/Civil war.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by ALadysMom

Yes...but...wouldn’t it be better if one could admit what they didn’t know without being labeled as a racist?

By the way, did you know not to make the hand gesture for o.k. 👌 because some think that is offensive too.

IMO it’s too easy to always claim offense about things now. It’s a lot like crying wolf.

True. Crying wolf is a one way to put it. Admitting you didn't know usually happens after the supposed offense. By then the offended have, without any thought of the offenders real intent, have already leaped to the conclusion that it was intentional and the unnecessary battle is on.
Sadly, too many people, and I'm often as guilty as the next person, spend their time and energy preparing their next rebuttal and never take the time to listen or even try to understand the other point of view. They make the assumption the other side is automatically completely invalid. Emotions over heat (helped by the rabble rousers on the sidelines enjoying the spectacle), any real chance for real, lasting advancement is thrown under the bus and we end up back at square one with only hurt feelings on both sides to show for the energy spent arguing.
Somebody, please cue up the song " Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends ..."

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by ALadysMom

(Sorry meant to reply to Gracie)

The Rosewood Wikipedia article might provide some insights about why some people prefer to maintain anonymity.
Targeting others—sometimes for only a perceived difference—has been a scary, widespread & longstanding practice which has not been exclusively racially motivated.

One can never know who might read Internet message board posts & what they might do if they had the chance. Sad but true.

YEP, there are a lot of extremist nutcases out there...who will believe anything.

Just like the armed guy who showed up at a pizza joint (Google 'Pizzagate'), because he read on some nutcase extremist/conspiracy website that someone...was running a child slavery/sex ring out of the basement.

Never mind there was no basement, think about how ignorant someone would have to be...to even believe this.

Or that no children were tragically massacred at Sandy Hook Elementary...and it was just a hoax.

At least the scumbag purveyor of that last outrageous story (Alex Jones)...ended up paying $100,000 for his recklessness.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

YEP, there are a lot of extremist nutcases out there...who will believe anything.

Just like the armed guy who showed up at a pizza joint (Google 'Pizzagate'), because he read on some nutcase extremist/conspiracy website that someone...was running a child slavery/sex ring out of the basement.

Never mind there was no basement, think about how ignorant someone would have to be...to even believe this.

Or that no children were tragically massacred at Sandy Hook Elementary...and it was just a hoax.

At least the scumbag purveyor of that last outrageous story (Alex Jones)...ended up paying $100,000 for his recklessness.

But still advises...

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

As you seem to have the answer for white people what should black racists do? What about Asians? you did not mention them. American Indians?

Ummm...National Geographic has a very thoughtful piece about the label “American Indians.”

https://www.api.nationalgeographic.c...-appropriation

The Native nations had/have little in common yet we use one term as if all were/are exactly the same.

My first understanding of contagious disease came from reading about the rampant spread of European illnesses through Native populations. Natives had no previous exposure to those illnesses so they had no existing immunity. Sound familiar?

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

YEP, there are a lot of extremist nutcases out there...who will believe anything.

Just like the armed guy who showed up at a pizza joint (Google 'Pizzagate'), because he read on some nutcase extremist/conspiracy website that someone...was running a child slavery/sex ring out of the basement.

Never mind there was no basement, think about how ignorant someone would have to be...to even believe this.

Or that no children were tragically massacred at Sandy Hook Elementary...and it was just a hoax.

At least the scumbag purveyor of that last outrageous story (Alex Jones)...ended up paying $100,000 for his recklessness.

This is very hateful especially to be a response to a cautionary post about mean people on the Internet but thanks for proving my point.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by ALadysMom

This is very hateful especially to be a response to a cautionary post about mean people on the Internet but thanks for proving my point.

It's not hateful...they're actual facts.

AND an example of your own point (of which I agree)...about staying anonymous on the internet.

You also mentioned in a post above, about giving a pass because someone might be just ignorant of the facts, so here's a perfect chance for folks to put your observation into practice...and research/verify the veracity of everything I've said.

I'll even give a public retraction, on anything that I've said...that isn't true.

Originally Posted by ALadysMom

(two separate posts)


...One can never know who might read Internet message board posts & what they might do if they had the chance.



...We don’t know what we don’t know...Everything we don’t know AND are too afraid to ask.

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

True. Crying wolf is a one way to put it. Admitting you didn't know usually happens after the supposed offense. By then the offended have, without any thought of the offenders real intent, have already leaped to the conclusion that it was intentional and the unnecessary battle is on.
Sadly, too many people, and I'm often as guilty as the next person, spend their time and energy preparing their next rebuttal and never take the time to listen or even try to understand the other point of view. They make the assumption the other side is automatically completely invalid. Emotions over heat (helped by the rabble rousers on the sidelines enjoying the spectacle), any real chance for real, lasting advancement is thrown under the bus and we end up back at square one with only hurt feelings on both sides to show for the energy spent arguing.
Somebody, please cue up the song " Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends ..."

Enjoyable comment, thanks. So true. If talking about certain topics is completely taboo then how can we ever understand each other?

I recently shared a very enjoyable conversation with a young black man about race relations, particularly about the melting pot that America genuinely is. He surprised me by telling me about his Native American ancestry. It’s kinda funny but I still hesitated here to describe him as black but he said he identifies himself as black because all of the people in his family, church and community identify themselves as black and he knows little about Native culture. We both felt very good to be able to talk without stressing out about it and we hugged as we said goodbye. I would like to have more talks like that. We began by discussing the PBS genealogy series, “Finding Your Roots.” Each show is about the family history Of one guest, usually a very famous person. Guest backgrounds are varied—white, Jewish or black, etc. Most of the guests were surprised, or even shocked, to find out his/her family tree was a lot more diverse than he/she had known. It is a great show. Many details of our history have been lost so it’s fun to rediscover some of them.

[TomPerrett]

Just reading these comments shows me the death of racism here. By belief is that a great deal of it from lack of experiance with other cultures. Most racist don’t belive they are racist.

When you watch the protest on tv you see that many of the Protesters are White people often more than black ones.
What’s that’s telling me Is that our younger generation see things much differently than we do.

I believe younger generations realize there are problems in their culture but find it necessary to respect them as people the same as the rest of us and then deal with the cultural problems. They also know that the solution is not government subsided. We’ll already don’t that failed.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by ALadysMom

Ummm...National Geographic has a very thoughtful piece about the label “American Indians.”

https://www.api.nationalgeographic.c...-appropriation

The Native nations had/have little in common yet we use one term as if all were/are exactly the same.

My first understanding of contagious disease came from reading about the rampant spread of European illnesses through Native populations. Natives had no previous exposure to those illnesses so they had no existing immunity. Sound familiar?

Well, I grew up in NM and am there often. American Indians who live in NM, Navajos, Apaches and Pueblos, continue to refer to themselves as Indians.

My former spouse is 28% American Indian and refers to that part of herself as Indian.

Many years ago my mother taught at the Santa Fe Indian School. Santa Fe Indian School

[Bay Kid]

VA king just made another new man made paid govern holiday.