[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by allsport

This is false and being pushed on right wing non factual websites. Go directly to the CTA website and you will see the facts in the form of a position paper that the association wants accomplished before school can be opened. It is ALL about the safety of the site and the children and lastly the teachers. The right wingnuts are including things that the Union does support about appropriate treatment for minorities and less police violence. They hijacked a photo from the website and the wingnuts told lies. Do a fact check and you will find that teachers unions are a good thing, they have more collective education than anyone doing the lying. They are professional and like other educated, professional people want the best for their students. Do not treat them like thugs because they have a verbal professional organization.

Whenever I hear "it's for the children" I start checking to see if my wallet is still there.

[Vetter]

Sorry, didn't see #23 that when I wrote mine, but we did find the same site. (Took me more than 9 minutes to find it and write reply -- had to do a lot of editing to keep it civil!!)

[The Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Charter schools are doing a better job of teaching our kids and growing rapidly. Some teachers feel threatened so they would like charter schools to go away.

Charter schools are for-profit schools. In Ohio they are a scam to put money into the pockets of their owners, rich Republican donors. And their test scores are worse than in poor public school neighborhoods! I don't see how you can say that "charter schools are doing a better job of teaching our kids." Charter schools are in it for as much money as they can siphon from public schools. Public schools' teachers certainly aren't in it for the money, but for the students. Big difference! Major difference in incentive, too. Money over a children's education.

[sloanst]

Charter school are for the advantage of the student. Government run union schools are for the advantage of the teacher. Charter school remove money from union teachers and they hate it. Charter schools are known to produce students much more ready for college, trade school and work. Government schools just can't compete, they know they can't compete, that's why they want to get rid of Charter schools. Read Thomas Sowell's latest book.

[sloanst]

Thomas Sowell disagrees and I think I will listen to him.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by The Mountaineer

Charter schools are for-profit schools. In Ohio they are a scam to put money into the pockets of their owners, rich Republican donors. And their test scores are worse than in poor public school neighborhoods! I don't see how you can say that "charter schools are doing a better job of teaching our kids." Charter schools are in it for as much money as they can siphon from public schools. Public schools' teachers certainly aren't in it for the money, but for the students. Big difference! Major difference in incentive, too. Money over a children's education.

The only experience we have with charter schools are in DC and our grandkids go there.

Quite a few disadvantaged children also go there and they are doing an outstanding job teaching kids.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Choro&Swing

I conclude, therefore, that the article in your link is not true but is attempting to divide us. I wonder if it is even an American source, but is instead a Russian disinformation source.

Unintentionally humorous coupled with an insight into the inner workings of some peoples "thinking" ... talk about conspiracy theories.

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[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by The Mountaineer

Charter schools are for-profit schools. In Ohio they are a scam to put money into the pockets of their owners, rich Republican donors. And their test scores are worse than in poor public school neighborhoods! I don't see how you can say that "charter schools are doing a better job of teaching our kids." Charter schools are in it for as much money as they can siphon from public schools. Public schools' teachers certainly aren't in it for the money, but for the students. Big difference! Major difference in incentive, too. Money over a children's education.

Public school teachers seem to typically end up reciting the mantra "it's for the children" but ... not really. It's about increasing benefits and never being held accountable for kids who can't read or write when they're pushed out of the pipeline at graduation.

The rich donors stuff is ... pathetically old and shopworn.

[Dave@TV]

Originally Posted by davem4616

Just read the link in the OP....wow, huge list of demands according to the article

IMHO it just doesn't seem plausible to me

yes, public schools aren't happy that funding that could have gone to them goes to Charter schools...and there are a lot of big cities looking to defund the men in blue

but a teacher's union basically threating a work stoppage for these reasons?....I tend to think not..

this is one of those things that I'd check out on 'snopes.com' before spreading it around

Really? You don't realize how radical the teachers' unions have gotten, especially in the bigger cities

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Very true and so sad that teachers union only cares about its members not the kids they are supposed to be giving an education to/

In a sense, they do care about the children. Eliminating charter schools means the public schools can totally control the curriculum our younger generations. That system will indoctrinate rather than educate.

We're seeing those effects now in the form of Antifa and BLM. Founding fathers bad. American bad. Historical symbols bad. Capitalism bad. Religion bad. White privilege bad. After enough time, those students will be in the majority and end up ruling the nation. I think that's what we're seeing now and I fear it is too late to save this great republic.

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by #1bulldog

This is just my opinion after 36 years as an educator. I've been a teacher and assistant principal in both settings and I've seen how the charters are pushing many more kids through to graduation. The charters have an edge in parental involvement. Parents go to great lengths to get their kids admitted to charters even though there's often a lottery system used for admission. Check the data across the country. Graduation rates are higher in charter schools and kids are more likely to complete at least 2 years of college, but standards are often not as high as in the public school despite the fact that both must follow state guidelines, no child left behind standards and common-core standards.

Our charter schools in Pennsylvania just don't stack up to the public schools in standardized testing in math literacy and science. There are sometimes uncertified teachers in those areas in the charters. They are well-intentioned, but may lack the depth of knowledge and experience to convey concepts and learning strategies to our youth.

And just try to expel unruly students from the public schools. There are usually disciplinary schools for those "who don't fit in." The charters tend to dismiss their difficult children with great ease, right back to the neighborhood public school. Believe me, I've seen it.

Well said! I say BLAME PARENTS, NOT TEACHERS! It’s not a matter of poverty, or ethnicity, or crowding, even though the problems are worse in poor families and among some ethnicities. If it were, we wouldn’t see some students doing well in the same conditions. Parents need to recognize their moral duty to devote themselves to educating their kids, instilling in them a love of learning, and instilling in them respect for learning and for those who teach.

Kids need to be exposed to interesting adult conversations that are thought-provoking and respectful. The dinner table is a good place for this to happen. Parents should plan interesting conversational gambits based on the days’ events.

Kids need parents to read to them, from infancy, an hour or more a day, and ideally that reading should have vocabularies kids find challenging.

Kids need to see parents reading and figure out that reading and learning are engrossing.

Kids need parents who are respectful, available, and able to answer questions well. Raising kids well isn’t easy, but it’s important.

Kids need time to read and think. They will usually turn to things that are more exciting and require less thought unless those exciting things are restricted so there is time to read. Phones, computers, video games, television, and sports need to be limited.

Parents need to study and prepare and devote themselves to being the best parents possible. They shouldn’t yell. They shouldn’t call their kids names or use bad language. They shouldn’t hit their children. Parents have to sacrifice their time and pleasure to get good outcomes. Bad parents tend not to accept that.

Kids are quite capable of learning to appreciate things like fine art in museums, classical music and opera, great architecture, the nature of beauty. However, it doesn’t come naturally. They need to be taught HOW to see a painting, how to really SEE it, notice and enjoy similarities and differences, color and shape and contrasts. They need to be taught how to hear music and what to enjoy about it. To teach kids these things, parents need to learn it themselves. There are books and websites and videos that teach it. What a wonderful gift to give to children.

I don’t think the worst schools are getting the worst teachers, though many teachers have low morale and are essentially broken and hopeless. The worst schools have the worst-prepared students. Often they have students who are determined not to learn and do everything possible to keep learning from happening in the classroom. They get the education they deserve. The answer is not bussing them to “better schools.” If a lot are bussed in, they just drag down the better schools. Bussing in a handful of average students can work, to some extent. If they are in whole classrooms of good students, they soon learn how to do what they have to do. If they are with a lot of their friends, this doesn’t happen.

The answer starts with parents raising kids to admire learning and want it for themselves. As a college professor, I’d get students determined to come to class late, interrupt classes, not learn. Nearly always there were inner city students at my school with athletic scholarships or some other sort of free education. Some would learn. Most would flunk. My daughter teaches at a university in central Georgia. Most of her students are minority kids. They treat her like garbage and rebel when she tells them to put away their phones and computers. Then they complain when they don’t study or follow directions and get bad grades as a result. These students have been failed by their parents.

[Slevy1]

Dr.Thomas Sowell has written a new book “Charter Schools and Their Enemies” which explains all you need to know about teachers unions and charter schools. A must read.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Choro&Swing

Well said! I say BLAME PARENTS, NOT TEACHERS! It’s not a matter of poverty, or ethnicity, or crowding, even though the problems are worse in poor families and among some ethnicities. If it were, we wouldn’t see some students doing well in the same conditions. Parents need to recognize their moral duty to devote themselves to educating their kids, instilling in them a love of learning, and instilling in them respect for learning and for those who teach.

Kids need to be exposed to interesting adult conversations that are thought-provoking and respectful. The dinner table is a good place for this to happen. Parents should plan interesting conversational gambits based on the days’ events.

Kids need parents to read to them, from infancy, an hour or more a day, and ideally that reading should have vocabularies kids find challenging.

Kids need to see parents reading and figure out that reading and learning are engrossing.

Kids need parents who are respectful, available, and able to answer questions well. Raising kids well isn’t easy, but it’s important.

Kids need time to read and think. They will usually turn to things that are more exciting and require less thought unless those exciting things are restricted so there is time to read. Phones, computers, video games, television, and sports need to be limited.

Parents need to study and prepare and devote themselves to being the best parents possible. They shouldn’t yell. They shouldn’t call their kids names or use bad language. They shouldn’t hit their children. Parents have to sacrifice their time and pleasure to get good outcomes. Bad parents tend not to accept that.

Kids are quite capable of learning to appreciate things like fine art in museums, classical music and opera, great architecture, the nature of beauty. However, it doesn’t come naturally. They need to be taught HOW to see a painting, how to really SEE it, notice and enjoy similarities and differences, color and shape and contrasts. They need to be taught how to hear music and what to enjoy about it. To teach kids these things, parents need to learn it themselves. There are books and websites and videos that teach it. What a wonderful gift to give to children.

I don’t think the worst schools are getting the worst teachers, though many teachers have low morale and are essentially broken and hopeless. The worst schools have the worst-prepared students. Often they have students who are determined not to learn and do everything possible to keep learning from happening in the classroom. They get the education they deserve. The answer is not bussing them to “better schools.” If a lot are bussed in, they just drag down the better schools. Bussing in a handful of average students can work, to some extent. If they are in whole classrooms of good students, they soon learn how to do what they have to do. If they are with a lot of their friends, this doesn’t happen.

The answer starts with parents raising kids to admire learning and want it for themselves. As a college professor, I’d get students determined to come to class late, interrupt classes, not learn. Nearly always there were inner city students at my school with athletic scholarships or some other sort of free education. Some would learn. Most would flunk. My daughter teaches at a university in central Georgia. Most of her students are minority kids. They treat her like garbage and rebel when she tells them to put away their phones and computers. Then they complain when they don’t study or follow directions and get bad grades as a result. These students have been failed by their parents.

Well said and think how hard it is for a single parent to do this. One would think society and the black community would push kids to get married and established before having kids to give them something that we should all have.

[ldivens]

Teachers unions may be too political versus interested in education

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by ldivens

Teachers unions may be too political versus interested in education

Not to mention they control the pension fund and wants as many people contributing as possible.