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Old 04-01-2021, 08:44 PM
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From a major Network News "Journalist" on NBC NIGHTLY NEWS. This is the man responsible to edit and deliver NEWS. But listen to this direct from his mouth>

NBC's Lester Holt says we don’t need to hear both sides to define truth: ‘Fairness is overrated’

NBC News anchor Lester Holt received the Edward R. Murrow Lifetime Achievement Award from Washington State University Tuesday evening, an honor given to those who demonstrate a commitment to excellence.

In his acceptance speech, the longtime journalist offered his advice to others in the field, emphasizing the value of truth-telling.

"I think it’s become clear that fairness is overrated ... the idea that we should always give two sides equal weight and merit does not reflect the world we find ourselves in," Holt said on Tuesday night while accepting an award at the 45th Murrow Symposium.

"Decisions to not give unsupported arguments equal time are not a dereliction of journalistic responsibility or some kind of agenda. In fact, it's just the opposite. Providing an open platform for misinformation, for anyone to come say whatever they want, especially when issues of public health and safety are at stake, can be quite dangerous."

"Our duty is to be fair to the truth. Holding those in power accountable is at the core of our function and responsibility," he said. "We need to hear our leader's views, their policies and reasoning. It's really important, but we have to stand ready to push back and call-out falsehoods."
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"Providing an open platform for misinformation" "Misinformation" - In WHOSE Opinion????
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NBC's Lester Holt Emphasizes 'Regard for Truth' as He Accepts Edward R. Murrow Award
Only 9% of Americans have a lot of trust in the media and 60% have no trust at all.
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Old 04-01-2021, 09:26 PM
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So here's some stuff that shouldn't be fairly "evenly" reported from "both sides."

1. This is the country known as the United States of America.

If you want to claim it's not true, that this is not the country known as the United States of America, you don't deserve a "fair" representation. You're wrong, period.

2. Cotton fabric is made from plant substance.

If you want to pretend it's actually the dried, processed snot of aliens who came to the planet and blew their noses in fields 40,000 years ago, your information is not credible and doesn't deserve a "fair" representation. You're wrong, period.

3. McDonalds sells Big Macs.

If you live in a reality where McDonalds sells Wendy's Hot-n-Juicy-Burgers, more power to ya. Your warped view of reality doesn't deserve a "fair" representation. You're wrong, period.

4. Masks can reduce the risk of COVID-19.

If some stranger on Frontline or Stormfront or 8Chan or Parler or whale.to or anywhere else is telling you that masks cause sickness and can't help anyone with the hoax virus, then your delirious brain cells cannot be trusted, and you don't deserve a "fair" representation. you're wrong, period.
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Old 04-01-2021, 09:39 PM
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Need one example please
I'll give you one... During the Mueller investigation, Adam Schiff claimed that there was ample evidence that Trump colluded with Russia.
Schiff: 'Ample evidence' of collusion between Trump campaign, Russians

That was one person's claim. Yet the media didn't label it as "unsubstantiated" (as they have done repeatedly to Trump's claims that there was voting fraud). They reported it "as is."

The Mueller investigation reported that there was NO collusion. Yet MSM reported it as "news" for months.

Adam Schiff lied about the Trump probe — and the media let him

Some see that the bias of the MSM is obvious. Others are oblivious to the not-so-subtle wording in MSM stories.
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Old 04-02-2021, 03:17 AM
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Those annoying facts seem to get in the way. Fact check everything, period! You can have your own opinion but not your own facts.
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From a major Network News "Journalist" on NBC NIGHTLY NEWS. This is the man responsible to edit and deliver NEWS. But listen to this direct from his mouth>

NBC's Lester Holt says we don’t need to hear both sides to define truth: ‘Fairness is overrated’

NBC News anchor Lester Holt received the Edward R. Murrow Lifetime Achievement Award from Washington State University Tuesday evening, an honor given to those who demonstrate a commitment to excellence.

In his acceptance speech, the longtime journalist offered his advice to others in the field, emphasizing the value of truth-telling.

"I think it’s become clear that fairness is overrated ... the idea that we should always give two sides equal weight and merit does not reflect the world we find ourselves in," Holt said on Tuesday night while accepting an award at the 45th Murrow Symposium.

"Decisions to not give unsupported arguments equal time are not a dereliction of journalistic responsibility or some kind of agenda. In fact, it's just the opposite. Providing an open platform for misinformation, for anyone to come say whatever they want, especially when issues of public health and safety are at stake, can be quite dangerous."

"Our duty is to be fair to the truth. Holding those in power accountable is at the core of our function and responsibility," he said. "We need to hear our leader's views, their policies and reasoning. It's really important, but we have to stand ready to push back and call-out falsehoods."
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"Providing an open platform for misinformation" "Misinformation" - In WHOSE Opinion????
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NBC's Lester Holt Emphasizes 'Regard for Truth' as He Accepts Edward R. Murrow Award
The mainstream media slants everything to fit their own agenda, has been doing so for years, and is much worse now. We all need to be CRITICAL THINKERS, and use our own common sense to to determine what is really happening in the world, and especially here in America. In other words, THINK FOR YOURSELF PEOPLE, because if we don't, we become changed from people to sheeple.
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You and Lester Holt are spot on!!!!!!!!!
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Old 04-02-2021, 04:59 AM
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From a major Network News "Journalist" on NBC NIGHTLY NEWS. This is the man responsible to edit and deliver NEWS. But listen to this direct from his mouth>

NBC's Lester Holt says we don’t need to hear both sides to define truth: ‘Fairness is overrated’

NBC News anchor Lester Holt received the Edward R. Murrow Lifetime Achievement Award from Washington State University Tuesday evening, an honor given to those who demonstrate a commitment to excellence.

In his acceptance speech, the longtime journalist offered his advice to others in the field, emphasizing the value of truth-telling.

"I think it’s become clear that fairness is overrated ... the idea that we should always give two sides equal weight and merit does not reflect the world we find ourselves in," Holt said on Tuesday night while accepting an award at the 45th Murrow Symposium.

"Decisions to not give unsupported arguments equal time are not a dereliction of journalistic responsibility or some kind of agenda. In fact, it's just the opposite. Providing an open platform for misinformation, for anyone to come say whatever they want, especially when issues of public health and safety are at stake, can be quite dangerous."

"Our duty is to be fair to the truth. Holding those in power accountable is at the core of our function and responsibility," he said. "We need to hear our leader's views, their policies and reasoning. It's really important, but we have to stand ready to push back and call-out falsehoods."
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"Providing an open platform for misinformation" "Misinformation" - In WHOSE Opinion????
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NBC's Lester Holt Emphasizes 'Regard for Truth' as He Accepts Edward R. Murrow Award
So you are saying responsible journalists should perpetuate a lie?
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Old 04-02-2021, 05:02 AM
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I'll give you one... During the Mueller investigation, Adam Schiff claimed that there was ample evidence that Trump colluded with Russia.
Schiff: 'Ample evidence' of collusion between Trump campaign, Russians

That was one person's claim. Yet the media didn't label it as "unsubstantiated" (as they have done repeatedly to Trump's claims that there was voting fraud). They reported it "as is."

The Mueller investigation reported that there was NO collusion. Yet MSM reported it as "news" for months.

Adam Schiff lied about the Trump probe — and the media let him

Some see that the bias of the MSM is obvious. Others are oblivious to the not-so-subtle wording in MSM stories.
I don't want to rehash the first impeachment, but your recitation of what was said and what was found is generously incomplete. The first link you provide to a US Today story is very very clear in what it says, well beyond the headline. In it Schiff says that there were several interactions between members of the Trump team and Russian operatives. He carefully states, fully reported in the story, of these interactions
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"All of this is evidence of collusion," said Schiff, a former federal prosecutor. "Now, I've never said that there was proof beyond a reasonable doubt. That's for Bob Mueller to decide." ...
While it is up to Mueller to conduct the criminal investigation and file any charges he feels are warranted, it is up to the House panel "to tell the country as much as we can about what we have been able to learn," Schiff said.

Even if Mueller determines that he can't file criminal charges of conspiracy, the committee should inform people of any "unpatriotic" or "immoral" actions, even if they weren't illegal, Schiff said.

"It's not fine to work with a foreign power even if there is no violation of law involved," he said.
This MSM story is extremely clear and very accurate. There is no crime of collusion. No one has ever been criminally charged with collusion because such a crime does not exist. Collusion is a term to describe an interaction between parties that does not rise to a conspiracy. It describes an interaction, teamwork, mutual support toward a goal that many would see as nefarious but not illegal. Of course Mueller did find crimes committed by members of the Trump team, and Russians working toward a common goal:
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Mueller's team has charged eight Americans once affiliated with Trump's campaign or administration, 13 Russian nationals, 12 Russian intelligence officers, three Russian companies, and two other people with federal crimes.
Of course the Mueller report did not make of finding of collusion, because it was looking for evidence of crimes and collusion is not a crime. It did find, and substantiate many interactions and episodes of coordination and cooperation.

Directly from the Mueller report page 181
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this Office’s focus in resolving the question of joint criminal liability was
on conspiracy as defined in federal law, not the commonly discussed term “collusion.” The Office considered in particular whether contacts between Trump Campaign officials and Russia-linked individuals could trigger liability for the crime of conspiracy—either under statutes that have their own conspiracy language (e.g., 18 U.S.C. §§ 1349, 1951(a)), or under the general conspiracy statute (18 U.S.C. § 371). The investigation did not establish that the contacts described in Volume I, Section IV, supra, amounted to an agreement to commit any substantive violation of federal
criminal law—including foreign-influence and campaign-finance laws, both of which are discussed further below. The Office therefore did not charge any individual associated with the Trump Campaign with conspiracy to commit a federal offense arising from Russia contacts, either under a specific statute or under Section 371’s offenses clause.
Your statement: "The Mueller investigation reported that there was NO collusion" is patently wrong. The report clearly says collusion is not a term on which it makes a determination as collusion is not a legally prohibited act and is not legally defined.

You can say the report did not say "collusion happened" because it cannot define and charge such activities as did occur as "collusion"

Congressman Schiff as cited in the article and the Mueller report when finally issued [and the full unredacted report is still not available] are 100% in agreement. Stuff happened as described in the contacts described in Volume I, Section IV which was not conspiracy per the legal requirements. Now explain to me again how what US Today reported was a lie?
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Old 04-02-2021, 05:05 AM
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"LITTLE PARTS"???? "out of context"... Did you Not see the quotes???
Take it easy, you’re shouting. Yes, you took parts of what Lester Holt said & highlighted smaller parts of that WITHOUT the context of his own explanation, which started with “Before you run with or tweet that headline, let me explain a bit.”
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"not giving unsupported arguments equal time"
BASED UPON WHAT AND WHO?
"Our duty is to be fair to the truth."
WHO'S TRUTH???
There’s really no such thing as ‘whose truth’. If an argument is unsupported, by definition there are no corroborating FACTS, which relegate it to opinion status.
E.G.: Wildfires in California have been caused by power transmission lines, lightning & arson. (Provable fact)
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Wildfires in California have been caused by space lasers. (Something else entirely)
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" Finally, misinformation should not be a matter of opinion."
WHO'S OPINION???
My meaning here is that whether or not something is misinformation shouldn't be a matter of opinion. You’re equating truth & opinion, which are not the same – although they can be. There is no such thing as my truth vs. your truth, only different opinions, values, beliefs, viewpoints, etc.
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"If there are no demonstrable facts presented, or at least scientific consensus, then it is opinion."
WHO'S OPINION???
Huh??
Do YOU NOT see a dichotomy here? ...if you don't know what that means, here it is:

something with qualities or features that seem to conflict with one another

I ALWAYS look on the other side of an argument. Would YOU feel the same way about this if it was said by a Fox News anchor or such? please...
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I really do see the dichotomy between opinion and fact and have tried to explain that here.

FOX has nothing to do with this, as far as I am concerned. Why would you even ask that? And, really, this whole overblown issue is ancient history. The FCC abandoned their own so-called 'Fairness Doctrine' in the late 80's, which, among other things, required broadcasters to air dissenting views along with their own presentation of certain types of stories. Read all about it here: FCC fairness doctrine - Wikipedia
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Thank you for your thoughtful and well-reasoned comments.
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He will only report things he agrees with. What a crock! He is supposed to give an unbiased reporting of the news. What an unprofessional charlatan. He obviously thinks that citizens in the USA need to be molded into people who think just like he does. He should be fired!
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So here's some stuff that shouldn't be fairly "evenly" reported from "both sides."

1. This is the country known as the United States of America.

If you want to claim it's not true, that this is not the country known as the United States of America, you don't deserve a "fair" representation. You're wrong, period.

2. Cotton fabric is made from plant substance.

If you want to pretend it's actually the dried, processed snot of aliens who came to the planet and blew their noses in fields 40,000 years ago, your information is not credible and doesn't deserve a "fair" representation. You're wrong, period.

3. McDonalds sells Big Macs.

If you live in a reality where McDonalds sells Wendy's Hot-n-Juicy-Burgers, more power to ya. Your warped view of reality doesn't deserve a "fair" representation. You're wrong, period.

4. Masks can reduce the risk of COVID-19.

If some stranger on Frontline or Stormfront or 8Chan or Parler or whale.to or anywhere else is telling you that masks cause sickness and can't help anyone with the hoax virus, then your delirious brain cells cannot be trusted, and you don't deserve a "fair" representation. you're wrong, period.
Nice extreme examples.

Who gets to decide when it is not so obvious?
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I think the operative word in your argument is “unsupported “. If Lester Holt keeps to standards of proof before he reports on an issue they why shouldn’t anyone else ?
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Old 04-02-2021, 06:24 AM
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From a major Network News "Journalist" on NBC NIGHTLY NEWS. This is the man responsible to edit and deliver NEWS. But listen to this direct from his mouth>

NBC's Lester Holt says we don’t need to hear both sides to define truth: ‘Fairness is overrated’

NBC News anchor Lester Holt received the Edward R. Murrow Lifetime Achievement Award from Washington State University Tuesday evening, an honor given to those who demonstrate a commitment to excellence.

In his acceptance speech, the longtime journalist offered his advice to others in the field, emphasizing the value of truth-telling.

"I think it’s become clear that fairness is overrated ... the idea that we should always give two sides equal weight and merit does not reflect the world we find ourselves in," Holt said on Tuesday night while accepting an award at the 45th Murrow Symposium.

"Decisions to not give unsupported arguments equal time are not a dereliction of journalistic responsibility or some kind of agenda. In fact, it's just the opposite. Providing an open platform for misinformation, for anyone to come say whatever they want, especially when issues of public health and safety are at stake, can be quite dangerous."

"Our duty is to be fair to the truth. Holding those in power accountable is at the core of our function and responsibility," he said. "We need to hear our leader's views, their policies and reasoning. It's really important, but we have to stand ready to push back and call-out falsehoods."
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"Providing an open platform for misinformation" "Misinformation" - In WHOSE Opinion????
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NBC's Lester Holt Emphasizes 'Regard for Truth' as He Accepts Edward R. Murrow Award
And there lays the problem.......since when did reporting the the news become “ an opinion report” and not a News report?
Why can’t you just report what happen without adding or sliding in their views. The left media has forgot how to report news they now just report opinions.
This is why you can watch opinion (news) stations anymore.
No one fairly reports anymore
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Old 04-02-2021, 06:25 AM
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There is little to no accurate reporting today. It’s clearly just social media now. Both on television or online. Our college’s are so infected they offer very little free speech. Now they are targeting our children’s schools. History is out fiction is in.
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