[Bucco]

Originally Posted by G.R.I.T.S.

I'm wondering who is the arbiter of this "truth?" Dangerous ground upon which "journalists" are now treading...

Well, I am not the smartest guy in the world, by far, but i know the truth, and am able to recognize liars. Especially, with that villainous internet, you can fact check anything you want.

To believe everyone is lying is to put The Supreme Being in the middle of one of those conspiracy theories. It isn't happening at all.

Today, some are either lazy, gullible, or easily conned.

[HORNET]

I will not watch any new broadcast with him. He is a liar and a left over fake news reporter

[collie1228]

And his attitude surprises you? Just listen to his predecessor, Brian Williams on MSNBC. He's carrying the ball for the liberal left wing constantly there. I try to listen/watch both sides of the political spectrum, but find myself amazed at William's on-screen left wing opinions camouflaged as facts. So I can't watch him. Sounds like Lester is traveling down the same highway.

[HORNET]

Can’t believe anything he says

[DeanFL]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Well, I am not the smartest guy in the world, by far, but i know the truth, and am able to recognize liars. Especially, with that villainous internet, you can fact check anything you want.

To believe everyone is lying is to put The Supreme Being in the middle of one of those conspiracy theories. It isn't happening at all.

Today, some are either lazy, gullible, or easily conned.

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"you can fact check anything you want."

please tell us HOW and what methods you use. Really I for one would like to know. Simply interested how YOU would accomplish that.
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[MrFlorida]

Hmmm. One sided news, must carry papers , do you see where this is going ?

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Cobullymom

You absolutely correct we are NOW at a horrendous point...and Lester fed you your daily supper and you gobbled it up....

Absolutely not.....Lester only reported the lies that
Djt fed to us....come on...."this virus should be gone in weeks" "you don't need a mask" "maybe drink clorox" "the votes were stolen" " I never incited a roit"
And now look where we are....500,000 dead...thank you Donald. Voters rights being taken away....no water or food given???? Again...thank you donald.....but thank God he is gone!

[ragtag22]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

So when it is the journalists idea of the truth it is ok to give a one sided report of the news.

Scary.

So he’s basically saying people are to dumb to be able to determine what’s true.

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Need one example please

Where have you been? Examples are rampant. Nick Sandman is one example. The media (print and TV) DELIBERATELY made it look like he was provoking and mocking a Native American. He was wearing a MAGA hat and as a result, the media was trying to make him look like a bad dude. Once you viewed the entire video, it was obvious Sandman and his fellow high school students were the ones being taunted and mocked. Sandman has filed numerous suits against various news agencies. Settlements have been reached in many of those suits. This kid won't have to work the rest of his life.

And here's a recent one. Members of Michael Flynn's family have sued CNN. CNN DELIBERATELY edited a video to make it appear the family was pledging allegiance to QAnon. If you watched the entire video, it was apparent the family was pledging allegiance to the US and its Constitution.

The mainstream media are not purveyors of truth or fairness. They are agenda driven activists trying to indoctrinate instead of educate.

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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From a major Network News "Journalist" on NBC NIGHTLY NEWS. This is the man responsible to edit and deliver NEWS. But listen to this direct from his mouth>

NBC's Lester Holt says we don’t need to hear both sides to define truth: ‘Fairness is overrated’

NBC News anchor Lester Holt received the Edward R. Murrow Lifetime Achievement Award from Washington State University Tuesday evening, an honor given to those who demonstrate a commitment to excellence.

In his acceptance speech, the longtime journalist offered his advice to others in the field, emphasizing the value of truth-telling.

"I think it’s become clear that fairness is overrated ... the idea that we should always give two sides equal weight and merit does not reflect the world we find ourselves in," Holt said on Tuesday night while accepting an award at the 45th Murrow Symposium.

"Decisions to not give unsupported arguments equal time are not a dereliction of journalistic responsibility or some kind of agenda. In fact, it's just the opposite. Providing an open platform for misinformation, for anyone to come say whatever they want, especially when issues of public health and safety are at stake, can be quite dangerous."

"Our duty is to be fair to the truth. Holding those in power accountable is at the core of our function and responsibility," he said. "We need to hear our leader's views, their policies and reasoning. It's really important, but we have to stand ready to push back and call-out falsehoods."
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"Providing an open platform for misinformation" "Misinformation" - In WHOSE Opinion????
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NBC's Lester Holt Emphasizes 'Regard for Truth' as He Accepts Edward R. Murrow Award

I think it’s important to understand him in context. I know people who don’t think men walked on the moon. Is it important that their wacko opinions be “fairly discussed” every time journalists deal with space travel? I know people who believe the World Trade Towers were destroyed by Jews. That’s lunacy? I don’t want the news channels to give these people room to share their views every day. Their views have been judged and found erroneous and unsupported by the evidence. I have friends who believe God created the heavens and the earth and the sun and the stars and everything else about six thousand years ago. (I was taught that as a child and believed it for years.) They can believe that if they like, but the evidence does not agree. Their ideas do not need to be “fairly considered” each time something over six thousand years ago is found. I have friends who are opposed to vaccinations of all types. I disagree, and I do not want their dangerous views presented in the news every time vaccinations are discussed. People believe so many odd things on the basis of hearsay or advertising. Turmeric, anyone? There are news outlets that offer us twisted alternate versions of reality every day, such as saying we live in a “tyranny,” or that our presidents are Socialists or Fascists. Do they deal fairly with the truth? No.

[toeser]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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From a major Network News "Journalist" on NBC NIGHTLY NEWS. This is the man responsible to edit and deliver NEWS. But listen to this direct from his mouth>

NBC's Lester Holt says we don’t need to hear both sides to define truth: ‘Fairness is overrated’

NBC News anchor Lester Holt received the Edward R. Murrow Lifetime Achievement Award from Washington State University Tuesday evening, an honor given to those who demonstrate a commitment to excellence.

In his acceptance speech, the longtime journalist offered his advice to others in the field, emphasizing the value of truth-telling.

"I think it’s become clear that fairness is overrated ... the idea that we should always give two sides equal weight and merit does not reflect the world we find ourselves in," Holt said on Tuesday night while accepting an award at the 45th Murrow Symposium.

"Decisions to not give unsupported arguments equal time are not a dereliction of journalistic responsibility or some kind of agenda. In fact, it's just the opposite. Providing an open platform for misinformation, for anyone to come say whatever they want, especially when issues of public health and safety are at stake, can be quite dangerous."

"Our duty is to be fair to the truth. Holding those in power accountable is at the core of our function and responsibility," he said. "We need to hear our leader's views, their policies and reasoning. It's really important, but we have to stand ready to push back and call-out falsehoods."
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"Providing an open platform for misinformation" "Misinformation" - In WHOSE Opinion????
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NBC's Lester Holt Emphasizes 'Regard for Truth' as He Accepts Edward R. Murrow Award

I used to get 90% of my broadcast news from the three major networks. Now it's down to 10%. Their bias is palpable.

[BlackhawksFan]

. "Decisions to not give unsupported arguments equal time are not a dereliction of journalistic responsibility or some kind of agenda.

He's 100% correct. He's talking conspiracy theories like QAnon, Sandy Hook and 9/11 deniers, all the Trump misinformation, etc.

UNSUPPORTED ARGUMENTS.

He's not talking about legit disagreement.

[DaveZ]

I honestly can’t get my head around anyone actually believing Lester or any other source even Google anymore. We all lived through 2020 didn’t we? It was the one thought that I believe Lester was honest to himself and us about. It’s true. Sucks but true.

[canman]

This is the transcript of what he said. He did not say it like the cherry picked quotes. Research before jumping to what media tells you.

"I’m asked a lot now how the news media recovers from the damage. Let me first say the damage only goes so deep, as millions and millions of Americans still turn to news organizations like mine for trusted information. The unprecedented attacks on the press in this period I’m sure we’ll fill plenty of books and be studied in classrooms, maybe even here. But I have a few early observations I’ll share about where this moment brings us and what we can learn.

Number one is I think it’s become clear that fairness is overrated. Whoa, before you run off and tweak that headline, let me explain a bit.

The idea that we should always give two sides equal weight and merit does not reflect the world we find ourselves in. That the sun sets in the west is a fact. Any contrary view does not deserve our time or attention. I know recent events assure that you won’t have to look far to find more current and relevant examples, I think you get my point."

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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"you can fact check anything you want."

please tell us HOW and what methods you use. Really I for one would like to know. Simply interested how YOU would accomplish that.
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Dont have a set system, but...

First I read quite a bit to begin....the NY Times, Wall St Journal, along with a few other print media. Normally, the top stories are the same and I read them. If I find a difference in presentation of facts, I will go on line and investigate further until I find out why. Usually, it is easy, and mostly my fault for mis understanding (I usually blame the writer for poor writing). If it is an important story, I might "google" it which will bring up most mentions and then I sort of select a new presentation based on my pat experience.....I pretty much know the far right or far left sites and simply ignore them. At that point, in most cases, I feel comfortable I have most of the facts.

Actually I might, depending on my schedule, come on here to see what people are posting and if they supply any links worth reading.

I think reading the Times, Reuters feed, Journal, etc. usually pretty much nails it.

Of course if I think I want more detail, depending on the story type, I will then use the internet to track down more information. If it is a story on the economy there are reputable sites to visit.

Point is, the facts stand out.....the lies stand out.

What people do is ignore what they do not want to hear....that is why I often use the term "childish" or "immature" as that is what children do...I dont want to hear this and close their ears. Well, adults close their minds, in the case we are discussing, visit a website where they know the verbiage will make them happy....of course, most of them ignore any fact not supporting their particular leaning. What amazes me is that never consider that what they feel is wrong and they are being manipulated.

I dont like to use myself, but since you asked... I am a true conservative.....morals and truth mean a lot to me. I want a balanced budget OR actually, close to a balanced budget as possible. I have never voted Democrat (except in 1960) but with the last few years have left what was my party of choice, and one for whom I was actually employed, because of what I spelled out was important to me as a true conservative....morals and truth.

I know nothing is perfect........I also know from experience, I am not always right......I also have learned to "listen" ie. read links on here for example.....visit website that I know I will not agree with, etc.

I am now a true independent now which, for me, is extremely sad, but getting over it quickly as I watch events unfold.

if you balance what you read, you will easily identify LIES......easily identify FACTS. Unless the Almighty is involved in the conspiracy, they all come tumbling down, they all have doubters at the start.

To the actual thread, I MIGHT ADD......over the last few years we have been treated, as never ever before, outright and outlandish lies from our top government. That megaphone is loud....that bully pulpit is listened to thus our media were chasing all over to find truth in something, somehow. Holt is merely saying, we waste our time chasing the wild stories that we absolutely know are not true because of the source. Do you really think Qanon would get this much media attention if certain elected officials did not side with their theories ?