[Windguy]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

people have been murdered in some of these riots

So, tell me. Were you this upset when some white supremacist drove his car into a peaceful counter protest and killed a woman and injured 19 others?

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by Windguy

I can’t believe some of what I have read here.

If you are more concerned about property damage than murder, it tells a lot about you.

It's not murder if you are defending yourself, your family, or your property. So you think the Sheriff was justifying murder?

Steve

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Windguy

The last I heard, non invasive vandalism is not a capital crime that would deserve the death penalty. If you replaced the “or” in your statement with an “and” then I would not have felt compelled to point this out.

So, tell me. Could you sleep easily at night knowing you killed someone? I sure couldn’t.

The answer to your question, is; I could sleep BETTER if I knew that person was not out there attempting to perpetrate his crimes on anyone. If you do not have the courage or determination to keep your property and family safe, then you do not deserve it.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by kenoc7

I think this post should have been removed by the administrator as were several other posts. Everyone who posted here is, in my opinion, an insensitive clod who has no understanding of what is happening in America this past week.

"Rioting is the language of the unheard." MLK

Isn't it great that you are able to have your opinion in this free country? What has been happening in this country this past week is that anarchists and criminals have been paid to infiltrate demonstrators and create chaos, in order to further someone's nefarious agenda. The lawful demonstrators have already succeeded in gaining attention and success in getting justice, therefore they should disperse, separate themselves from the criminal element so that they can be dealt with severely.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by theruizs

That’s what those who want to justify killing for “the right reason” want you to believe. I believe it was thou shall not kill, period. The young men who are trained to be able to kill by those who should know better have less culpability, IMHO, but yes, that is what I believe. So the same Jesus that said to turn the other cheek said to sell your cloak for a sword? Something’s wrong with that picture, or interpretation, or translation. And I am not claiming it would be easy, what’s easy is lashing out violently in return, it’s hard to keep control and put your trust in the Creator who has your eternal life in his hands.

GOD gave every creature the instinct for survival. The whole Bible is full of wars and killing, including persons killed by GOD HIMself. I am a peaceful person myself, with several weapons created to kill. My survival is not up to law enforcement or the Government, just me. If a man will not take up a gun or weapon to protect his family or property, then I am sure that his wife will. Some might say that a man does not deserve to KEEP his property or family if he is not willing to protect it. This is a dangerous world and always has been. A person not willing to defend himself will become someone else's slave.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Windguy

I can’t believe some of what I have read here.

If you are more concerned about property damage than murder, it tells a lot about you.

So, you feel that "property damage" is justified based on someone killed in another state? The demonstrators got the attention and justice they demanded. Property damage was done by scum and should not be coddled based on ANY supposed reason. Anyone looting or assaulting those attempting to protect their property, should received the absolute maximum penalty, including lethal defense from the property owner.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by theruizs

Perhaps, and we would be standing clean before the Creator. Life does not end with the death of the body, that’s when your real life actually begins. Don’t let your attachment to things (including your body) mess that up later.

Perhaps when one is standing "before the Creator" HE would ask them a couple simple questions. "I gave you a body with the instinct for self preservation and you ignored it. I gave you a family to protect, and you failed to protect them. Why do you feel you deserve a place in my house?"
Friend, you are ONLY alive today because someone else sacrificed for YOU.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Most people with a thinking mind know what is happening in America. Looter and rioters causing damage to personal and public property, people have been murdered in some of these riots, where is the outrage over this? Hard working small businessmen have had their life's work destroyed because a bunch of low life animal scum who think it is their right to steel and destroy. The supporters of this behavior who try to justify the unjustifiable show their true values and morals and are no better than the low life scum. I can guarantee if your property was destroyed you'd be singing a different song.

No, he would just expect the gov. to reimburse him for his loss.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by theruizs

If that’s how you want to look at it. I do what is reasonable to protect myself and my family, but it will not involve taking a life to save one.

Your view of "reasonable" is not the same as most. The law gives us the right to defend ourselves to include using lethal force. That means the law is reasonable, therefore we are being reasonable if we abide by the law. The law does not mandate that you defend your family to include using lethal force, but gives one that option. You have the right to turn the other cheek, but does that also morally include giving up your second child or your wife after one of them is murdered? I guess that is something that you would have to "reason" out on your own.

[jacksonbrown]

Originally Posted by Windguy

So, tell me. Were you this upset when some white supremacist drove his car into a peaceful counter protest and killed a woman and injured 19 others?

Once again, you are making inferences based on your obvious political persuasion.

Also, your previous statement

"How about also standing up to the murderous and racists cops who started this problem? "

Not only have those officers not yet been convicted but also, you don't know that they are racists.

If only you should experience in one day of your safe and sheltered life what our finest experience in a week, maybe you would change your tune.

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by anothersteve

It's not murder if you are defending yourself, your family, or your property. So you think the Sheriff was justifying murder?

I'm sorry, Steve. We seem to have had a disconnect. I was referring to the murder of George Floyd by the cop. People on this forum seem much more upset about property damage, than a man being murdered by a cop and by the systemic racism in our society.

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by jacksonbrown

Once again, you are making inferences based on your obvious political persuasion.

And, you're not?

Originally Posted by jacksonbrown

"How about also standing up to the murderous and racists cops who started this problem? "

Not only have those officers not yet been convicted but also, you don't know that they are racists.

Yeah, but the evidence is pretty clear and the attorney general wouldn't have raised the charge to 2nd-degree murder unless he had a really good case. And, picking that nit is just a way of redirecting away from the issue at hand. Do you think that there are no racist and murderous cops? If so, you are naive. If not, does it not bother you?

Originally Posted by jacksonbrown

If only you should experience in one day of your safe and sheltered life what our finest experience in a week, maybe you would change your tune.

Well, first, I would have to disagree with your assessment that the police are "our finest." Some of them are good people. Some are not. Some of them take the job for a power trip. I would put many other professions way ahead of cops for being thought of as "our finest." I have first-hand experience with racist cops.

Secondly, no one put a gun to their heads and forced them to take that job. If they can't face a difficult situation without losing their cool as is clearly evident in the videos, then they need to find another job.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Windguy

I'm sorry, Steve. We seem to have had a disconnect. I was referring to the murder of George Floyd by the cop. People on this forum seem much more upset about property damage, than a man being murdered by a cop and by the systemic racism in our society.

Why does the existence not get any attention or coverage or rage until or unless there is a killing?
Why is there no sound coming from the 95% of blacks who are happy and content?

Once again the isolated case is being used to demonstrate a general condition. Which is not true.

Is there injustice and wrong doing? Of course there is.
But why is it ok on a day to day basis until an episode occurs???

As has been said more than once......NEVER LET A CRISIS GO TO WASTE!!

Hypocrites all!

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Windguy

So, tell me. Were you this upset when some white supremacist drove his car into a peaceful counter protest and killed a woman and injured 19 others?

I am quite upset when anyone murders another person, what a STUPID question!

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Why does the existence not get any attention or coverage or rage until or unless there is a killing?
Why is there no sound coming from the 95% of blacks who are happy and content?

Once again the isolated case is being used to demonstrate a general condition. Which is not true.

Is there injustice and wrong doing? Of course there is.
But why is it ok on a day to day basis until an episode occurs???

As has been said more than once......NEVER LET A CRISIS GO TO WASTE!!

Hypocrites all!

Unbelievable!

While I should be shocked by purposeful naivete and outright lies...I'm not.

Ignorance, turning away and sticking heads in the sand when it comes to what is undeniable...IS at the root of the problem.

While a few years old, it's only become worse since this poll.

Views on inequality (click here)

A new Pew Research Center survey finds profound differences between black and white adults in their views on racial discrimination, barriers to black progress and the prospects for change. Blacks, far more than whites, say black people are treated unfairly across different realms of life, from dealing with the police to applying for a loan or mortgage. And, for many blacks, racial equality remains an elusive goal.