[bobnyce]

I don't think anyone in their right mind would be concerned with mail in voting except for timing issues, received on time. However, if anyone is proposing mass mailings to all residents that are not registered voters, then everyone should have a problem.

Right now you must request an absentee ballot. It is checked and confirmed that you are a registered voter and mailed to you where you requested. Then you must return the ballot within a certain time limit or your vote is not counted.

That's fine! But, having the post office mail by reduced price mass mailing to everyone is ridiculous! If you cannot take the time to register to vote by mail, car registration at any county office then you don't deserve to vote. Voting is an obligation of every citizen but not every one in the county is a citizen and they certainly do not have the right to vote.

[hoskinsonrl@gmail.com]

The post office does not/will not mail ballots to everyone. They will mail to registered voters only! If you are not registered to vote you will not receive a ballot. In Florida you have to request a ballot be sent to you

[davem4616]

way I look at it is, if I feel safe going to the grocery store, I can certainly go vote in person

we did early voting on Saturday in Lake County....they're taking all kinds of precaution around social distancing
you keep the pen they give you to mark your ballot, they sanitize the booth area when you finish, the workers are all wearing masks...and have gel to sanitize your hands if you don't have any

we felt perfectly safe.

[sunny56]

I have already heard from people I know that mail in ballots have been sent to dead people, that people that have moved out of state, or just moved towns. Those ballots are now sitting around waiting from someone to fill out and send in. Don't think that is very safe.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by hoskinsonrl@gmail.com

The post office does not/will not mail ballots to everyone. They will mail to registered voters only! If you are not registered to vote you will not receive a ballot. In Florida you have to request a ballot be sent to you

How do you define a registered voter? There are people who are listed as registered voters, but who no longer live at the same address, have left the state, have committed felonies, live some place where other people have access to their mail, or they are dead. That is the problem with mail in voting. I consider myself in my right mind, but I have a huge problem with mail in voting. I don't have a problem with absentee voting, if the voter has sent in a specific request for a ballot with verifiable information that they are eligible to vote.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

How do you define a registered voter? There are people who are listed as registered voters, but who no longer live at the same address, have left the state, have committed felonies, live some place where other people have access to their mail, or they are dead. That is the problem with mail in voting. I consider myself in my right mind, but I have a huge problem with mail in voting. I don't have a problem with absentee voting, if the voter has sent in a specific request for a ballot with verifiable information that they are eligible to vote.

Definition and check for legitimacy is the same as if you show up in person.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Definition and check for legitimacy is the same as if you show up in person.

Dead people don't usually show up in person.

[JGVillages]

Originally Posted by hoskinsonrl@gmail.com

The post office does not/will not mail ballots to everyone. They will mail to registered voters only! If you are not registered to vote you will not receive a ballot. In Florida you have to request a ballot be sent to you

My Brother-in-Law in California received 2 Ballots for their recent current election. One was addressed to Lawrence ***** and the other to Larry *****.
Even if a ballot is requested, the government and it’s affiliated agencies, will find a way to screw it up often enough to make the accuracy of a mass Presidential vote questionable at best. With the technology available now days, if our lawmakers really wanted prioritize developing an accurate and efficient voting system, it would be in place. Unfortunately government and inefficiency are synonymous so here we are again and again.

[Bucco]

Chief of Staff Meadows this morning when told there is zero evidence on illegal or any kind of election fraud connected with mail in voting, said..."there is no evidence that there isn't any either"

Dazzling (and very confusing logic)

[ithos]

Voting in person provides the highest degree of certainty that your vote will count. Mail in voting if done properly can minimize fraudulent and invalidated votes. Florida has adequate protocols for mail in ballots in my opinion.

Local jurisdictions for the most part have done a terrible of keeping the voter registrations current. So last minute mass mailing of ballots would be plagued with the type of fraud in confusion we have seen in Patterson, NJ and New York City this primary season. And once a vote is counted it can not be undone. The biggest problems with mail in voting is that you lose the chain of custody. And it can be lost in the mail, especially with mass balloting.

Every fraudulent vote counted is a vote denied by someone else. We should have the highest standards. Either with ID in person or a pin number for mail in ballots similar to what you use for debit cards. Too many votes get disqualified by signature verification.

https://www.pewtrusts.org/~/media/le...trationpdf.pdf
https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whi...fraudcases.pdf

[davem4616]

Originally Posted by JGVillages

My Brother-in-Law in California received 2 Ballots for their recent current election. One was addressed to Lawrence ***** and the other to Larry *****.
Even if a ballot is requested, the government and it’s affiliated agencies, will find a way to screw it up often enough to make the accuracy of a mass Presidential vote questionable at best. With the technology available now days, if our lawmakers really wanted prioritize developing an accurate and efficient voting system, it would be in place. Unfortunately government and inefficiency are synonymous so here we are again and again.

At the heart of the matter is the fact that the individual state voter registration reference files are not being maintained in real time...they are not current. People move, people die, people change their names and the voter registration reference files are not updated/purged in real time.

When we moved to FL and registered to vote here we never notified the state that we left asking them to remove us from their voter registration file. You just trust that the new state will inform the previous state. Well, as Dr. Phil asks: "How's that going for you?"....how high up is that on the priority list given the budget crunch every state is currently dealing with?

Certainly seems like the death certificates aren't being entered into many of the state reference files. Years after my father passed we received a new blue 'handicap' tag you hang on the rearview mirror in the mail for him. If the death certificate didn't purge the state's reference files, certainly you'd have thought that the final income tax filed for a deceased person would have done it. Nope...sounds like every program uses it's own reference file and they're not synchronized across departments.

Remember Florida couldn't convert to the EZ Pass for years because their software was different and they didn't have sufficient funds to make the s/w changes needed. So we had onw device for the FL Turnpike and another for every other state going up the Atlantic seaboard that collected tolls. I still carry both...just to be sure.

I mention that because there's every reason to believe that every state may have a 'home grown' unique voter registration reference file system that isn't capable of talking to another state's system...maybe they're 'mapping' the voter registration change information sent to them from another state, but maybe they're still keying it in somewhere down in the basement too....lol

I oversaw a group that was tasked with managing the timeliness and accuracy of the finance and procurement system's reference files used on a worldwide basis for a Fortune 100 Hi Tech company....took them awhile to get the files under control....but it took years to get everyone around the globe to change their 'unique' programs to be able to use the right worldwide files at the right time....we threw tons of $$$$ at it and I'd put money down that some folks are still 'mapping').

Anyone that thinks the states could clean up their voter registration files in time to accurately generate and send out ballots to only legitimate voters for the upcoming elections never worked in the belly of this beast.

Now, absentee ballots are a different animal...the states should be able to individually verify that the information in the data base is aligned with the information on the request.

Combine the likelihood of outdated/inaccurate reference files with the question of whether the USPS could actually handle this volume on a timely basis and you have a perfect storm on the horizon

[bobnyce]

My point was, without verification, voting by mail is not legitimate. The fact that I can make a credit card purchase and it immediately appears on my account, tells me no one is even trying to keep voter records up to date. Therefore, unless verified, voting by mail is worthless. I support voter id in every state. Even the Villages requires an id for every amenity! Voting is much more important. How to get and keep voter files by state officials is the problem. Heck they can’t even match drivers with car insurance records or tags. That’s why you and I pay for uninsured and underinsured motorist coverage. What do you expect? How many workers did not get their unemployment checks and the same politicians are responsible for voter records. No wonder we question the results when every county does their own voter id in almost every state?

[Kilmacowen]

Mail in voting is the same as absentee in Mass. I received an APPLICATION with a bar code that I signed and mailed back. I am also registered on the 2020 census with my signature. The bar code will be scanned to be certain that there is not a duplicate. I will receive a ballot with the same verification procedures. I also heard that I will be able to check online that my ballot has been received and counted.

[Byte1]

No, mail in voting is not the same as absentee voting. Absentee voting is where one requests/REQUESTS a ballot and it is mailed specifically to them. Mail in voting is a scheme by one party to force voting and do not care whether or not it gets to the right person or not. The ballots are mailed to supposed registered voters (dead, alive or moved out of state, doesn't matter) and then whomever receives the ballot fills it in and mails it back. There are big problems with that idea and easily hosed up. I have moved around many times in my lifetime, and recently moved even here. My ballot does not get to me so I don't get to vote. It goes to someone else and they decide to fill it in and send it along, or it gets forwarded and doesn't get to me in time.

SOrry, but if you can go shopping weekly for groceries or whatever or play golf, you can walk up to a SAFE voters booth and cast your vote. Lets face it, the reasoning is either laziness, fraud, crooked and or abusive to expect mail in voting to be legit. Shoot, the gov can't even get the stimulus checks sent out correctly and sent checks to thousands of dead people.

I have no problem with absentee voting, IF someone cannot get out to vote. Hardly anyone in this country can't get out to vote. Those living overseas, yes.

Get off your duff and go to the polling station. It's going to be safer than anything else you are doing when you leave your home.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Dead people don't usually show up in person.

LOL You obviously aren't from New Jersey!