[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by bobnyce

I don't think anyone in their right mind would be concerned with mail in voting except for timing issues, received on time. However, if anyone is proposing mass mailings to all residents that are not registered voters, then everyone should have a problem.

Right now you must request an absentee ballot. It is checked and confirmed that you are a registered voter and mailed to you where you requested. Then you must return the ballot within a certain time limit or your vote is not counted.

That's fine! But, having the post office mail by reduced price mass mailing to everyone is ridiculous! If you cannot take the time to register to vote by mail, car registration at any county office then you don't deserve to vote. Voting is an obligation of every citizen but not every one in the county is a citizen and they certainly do not have the right to vote.

Well, that may be your local area (FL). In many states including MD where I am at the moment, UNSOLICITED mail in ballots are being mailed to EVERY registered voter whether requested or not. So, ballots are definitely going out to dead people as these rolls are not cleaned up regularly. Furthermore, people who move are not removed from the rolls. I have five(5) ballots here. Me, my wife and three adult children. All three children have moved out of state. It would be beyond easy for me to mail those ballots in with my choices. See the problem. This problem is just about everywhere. And, it is significant.

And, it's not a "timing" issue as you suggested.

[jillv]

Originally Posted by bobnyce

I don't think anyone in their right mind would be concerned with mail in voting except for timing issues, received on time. However, if anyone is proposing mass mailings to all residents that are not registered voters, then everyone should have a problem.

Right now you must request an absentee ballot. It is checked and confirmed that you are a registered voter and mailed to you where you requested. Then you must return the ballot within a certain time limit or your vote is not counted.

That's fine! But, having the post office mail by reduced price mass mailing to everyone is ridiculous! If you cannot take the time to register to vote by mail, car registration at any county office then you don't deserve to vote. Voting is an obligation of every citizen but not every one in the county is a citizen and they certainly do not have the right to vote.

If you won a million dollars in the lottery would you mail in your winning ticket or would you redeem it in person? Treat your vote like it's worth a million dollars and vote in person.

[mamamia54]

Originally Posted by Jacksig

Everyone goes to Walmart; Cosco; etc. Easy fix-Put voting stations in the stores!

There you go!

[ficoguy]

I can see Cook County in Illinois already making the rounds of the cemeteries to register voters

[Mohawksin]

Originally Posted by hoskinsonrl@gmail.com

The post office does not/will not mail ballots to everyone. They will mail to registered voters only! If you are not registered to vote you will not receive a ballot. In Florida you have to request a ballot be sent to you

We need a much better certification process that assures the 'registered' voter is alive and registered in only one jurisdiction, for me to be convinced there is no fraud. Seems very difficult to un-register voters.

[ficoguy]

Same with me in NJ. My son and I both get ballots mailed to us in VA and FL. Nuts

[LG999]

Absentee ballots are controlled. Mail in voting is chaos. The fraud will be in the chaos.

[toeser]

Originally Posted by bobnyce

I don't think anyone in their right mind would be concerned with mail in voting except for timing issues, received on time. However, if anyone is proposing mass mailings to all residents that are not registered voters, then everyone should have a problem.

Right now you must request an absentee ballot. It is checked and confirmed that you are a registered voter and mailed to you where you requested. Then you must return the ballot within a certain time limit or your vote is not counted.

That's fine! But, having the post office mail by reduced price mass mailing to everyone is ridiculous! If you cannot take the time to register to vote by mail, car registration at any county office then you don't deserve to vote. Voting is an obligation of every citizen but not every one in the county is a citizen and they certainly do not have the right to vote.

There is a ton of misunderstanding and misinformation out there, partially because of the terms being used.

Absentee ballots - each person has to request one. Few people have a problem with this system.

Mail-in ballots - this should be termed "mail out ballots" because some states are taking their entire list of registered voters and mass mailing them ballots. The problem is that few states do a decent job of keeping those lists current. These ballots go out to dead people, people who have moved, people now in prison, etc. This just makes the whole process wide open for abuse.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

Absentee voting like you said has been done in Florida for years but not necessarily without problem. See attempt to correct comment.

Florida bill aims to cure balloting woes, streamline counts – WSVN 7News | Miami News, Weather, Sports | Fort Lauderdale

And this is the uncontested issue. Absentee balloting OK.

But the issue being discussed is not ABSENTEE Ballots.

Amazing how some try to use absentee ballot success (with some problems) as the demonstration that state , city, district, mailout of unsolicited ballots. Is it too hard to figure out that they are two different issues.

Because at least in Florida, THERE IS NO UNSOLICITED BALLOTS.

It's not a thing, here.

No one is getting an actual ballot, unless they have actually requested one.

What is being unsolicited is a "request for ballot" form. Registered voters are getting them in the mail. You STILL can't vote by mail if you get one of these forms. You have to physically fill it out, and physically return that form to the Supervisor of Elections, and you have to wait for them to verify it and then mail you the physical ballot. And THEN you can fill that in and mail it in.

YOU have to ask THEM for the ballot. There are two things going on here:

Request for Ballot Form

and

Ballot.

The former is being sent to registered voters, unsolicited.
The latter MUST be requested from the voter, using that form.

[Bill1701]

Originally Posted by mamamia54

Mail in voting will be a disaster. I see no reason why responsible people just can’t go vote. Wear a mask, social distance and sanitize. If you can go shop in Publix or any other store, than you can go vote.

Yes, and possibly wait in line for hours to do so because there will not be enough workers to man the voting places. I have used mail-in voting for years and there was never a problem. Some states use only mail-in voting.

[nancymiller217@yahoo.com]

Originally Posted by hoskinsonrl@gmail.com

They will mail to registered voters only!

Voter registration lists are not kept up to date. Last time I checked, I was still registered at my two previous addresses. In some jurisdictions they have more registered voters than adults.

[gail swanson]

Well said

[GoPacers]

State and federal governments (i.e. those that we elect to address societal issues) could easily solve the "voting problem" if they really cared to do so. We have proven we can solve almost any problem as a country if we make it a priority. The reason states mail ballots to "everyone" is they have done nothing to keep their voter records current so the only way to ensure you don't leave someone out is you send the ballot to everyone. If you think mailing ballots to everyone gets folks upset, the legal morass of leaving folks out would be far, far worse.

While it may look like governments are encouraging voter fraud/malfeasance, that isn't the problem. It's all about incompetence and CYA by those responsible for ensuring everyone is able to exercise their legal right to vote. This happens every four years and yet most states do nothing in the interim years to make sure this doesn't happen again. If this happened in any business those responsible would be fired. In the case of our elected officials they lie and try to convince us they have done all they can and it's someone else's problem.

[retiredguy123]

The premise for this issue should be that everyone wants a fair and accurate election. But, the problem is that a lot of people don't want the votes to be counted accurately.

[Langwelld]

According to the Wall Street Journal, tens of thousands of people will receive ballots they aren't legally entitled to cast. (Over one million deceased people received stimulus checks. )
There is no way to confirm how many eligible voters never received a ballot.
There is no way to verify how many people received multiple ballots
We cannot guarantee that ballots will be revived on time.
And finally, there is no way to verify that ballots arrive at the location where they can be legally cast.
Absentee ballots avoid all these problems, because the are pre-verified.