[tvbound]

There are times, like these, where I really wished that Darwinism worked immediately and was highly selective.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

You said it yourself----carriers with NO SYMPTOMS. So without coughing, sneezing, or spitting and doing nothing else but staying 6 feet away, just how do you think they can spread the virus? No, just breathing and talking in a normal tone won't do it.

I have seen many Villagers that are obviously not from the same household in Restaurants and the Squares sitting or standing face to face and shoulder to shoulder and no more distant than 1 or 2 feet - talking and sometimes laughing and yelling into the face of another human being. And we all KNOW this happens!

Restaurants, bars, and nursing homes are known to have the highest instances of CV spread. WE have to choose between loving our neighbor and preventing them from dying or becoming a "long hauler" or choosing to keep bars and restaurants open and to keep their owners making their MONEY. Love versus Money. It has been the dilemma throughout history. Personally, I feel that the bar and restaurant owners NEEDED to SAVE their profits for this CV rainy day. They can either close, modify to delivery, invest in the stock market, or just try some other business. That would be an inconvenience to them, but it would NOT kill them and possibly kill their unsuspecting customers. We can NOT pretend this Pandemic away!

[Byte1]

First off, I am not Cliff Claven like a certain poster seems to think they are.

I believe that masks help a LITTLE bit, but I read yesterday where a doctor wrote that masks CAN cause a person a higher risk of contracting the virus than some without a mask. Why? He says most masks being used are not tight enough to keep the virus in or out and that even small venting on the sides or above the nose area cause an air vortex that speeds the possible virus spores[my term] in or out of the person breathing through the mask. He said only well made, certified masks are really protecting and that most masks help maybe 30% if that.

The person that said you get your vit D via sunshine is not totally correct, according to many doctors. Once you reach a certain age [seniors] your ability to absorb vit D via the sun is reduced dramatically. I am outside to the extent of having to worry about skin cancer, but my vit D was down and the doctor prescribed supplements.

For those that suggest that we are NOT patriotic or caring of others if we do not agree to a mask mandate, I can only suggest that you are a needy, weak minded individual that must have the gov nanny tell you what is good for you what you must do. If so, I find it hard to believe that you are still alive after so many years. You folks that NEED the gov to mandate your behavior or the behavior of those you do not agree with, really should live in a socialist or communist country so that you can fully appreciate what you current take for granted.......FREEDOM and LIBERTY.

Before you jump on me (jump if you wish) I wear a mask when I deem it necessary and do not need anyone dictating when that time is to me. Do not equate wearing a mask with wearing a seat belt, motorcycle helmet, smoking or wearing a shirt in a business. It is not the same. I wear a mask now but tell me that you want to make it a law and I will start wearing it down around my neck. You are probably the same folks that want to "defund" the police so I am interested in how you would enforce mask wearing. As a matter of fact, I would like to see if any of you would be the neighbor that would do like the commies did in the USSR and rat out your neighbor to the authorities when you see them not wearing a mask.

If the gov mandates mask wearing, they can mandate that you wear a mask during flu season, etc. Then they will be able to mandate that you wear a certain color attire. I have been to countries where the gov shuts off the water to the homes during the day. I think some of you really NEED to live in one of those countries. It would do you good. You would not be on here complaining about "irresponsible citizens" that don't care about their fellow man. Guess what, there is no law that dictates how one should care about their fellow man. You act like you can shame someone into conforming to your standards. Get over it. Do I care if you succumb to evil virus? I don't know you, so why should I? Explain why I should care about you when you do not care about my country's FREEDOM. Everyone dies and every death is a tragedy, but no one gets out of here alive.

If you are too scared to live your own life, how do you expect to give us advice on how we should live our own? Live your life, stay away from me, wear you mask if you feel it will help you, but do not demand that I give a hoot about your needs. Charity is voluntary, demands are taxes as far as I see it.

For the one that suggests that C19 has side effects, I think you should be more truthful and less "know it all." Not everyone has life threatening or long lasting side effects from the virus, according to a doctor friend of mine that survived the virus along with his wife. When folks first started talking about the "side effects" it was when they were using ventilators and experimenting with possible remedies. Everyone knows the possible side effects of being on a ventilator for a sustained period. Before getting hysterical and telling folks that they are going to suffer for the rest of their lives if a mask mandate is not enforced, think about the "side effects" of your hysterical exaggerating can do.

Moral of the story is: be careful of what you ask the gov to do, because the more you give them control, the more of a slave you are to the gov. One does not need a mask mandate. Wear one without being told to and worry less about what others are doing. They are not going to infect you if they are not already infected. I see folks without masks every day and I bet none of them are infected. If they are infected, I am either immune or I do not feel any of the symptoms of the virus, OR I did not catch it from them. If you are scared, stay home. Do not presume to dictate limitations on my LIBERTY.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I have seen many Villagers that are obviously not from the same household in Restaurants and the Squares sitting or standing face to face and shoulder to shoulder and no more distant than 1 or 2 feet - talking and sometimes laughing and yelling into the face of another human being. And we all KNOW this happens!

Restaurants, bars, and nursing homes are known to have the highest instances of CV spread. WE have to choose between loving our neighbor and preventing them from dying or becoming a "long hauler" or choosing to keep bars and restaurants open and to keep their owners making their MONEY. Love versus Money. It has been the dilemma throughout history. Personally, I feel that the bar and restaurant owners NEEDED to SAVE their profits for this CV rainy day. They can either close, modify to delivery, invest in the stock market, or just try some other business. That would be an inconvenience to them, but it would NOT kill them and possibly kill their unsuspecting customers. We can NOT pretend this Pandemic away!

Many of us Villagers are waiting to go to be with others. An ounce of prevention.

COVID-19 Deaths by Age | The Heritage Foundation

The economy supports life too.

[shut the front door]

Originally Posted by Byte1

First off, I am not Cliff Claven like a certain poster seems to think they are.

I believe that masks help a LITTLE bit, but I read yesterday where a doctor wrote that masks CAN cause a person a higher risk of contracting the virus than some without a mask. Why? He says most masks being used are not tight enough to keep the virus in or out and that even small venting on the sides or above the nose area cause an air vortex that speeds the possible virus spores[my term] in or out of the person breathing through the mask. He said only well made, certified masks are really protecting and that most masks help maybe 30% if that.

The person that said you get your vit D via sunshine is not totally correct, according to many doctors. Once you reach a certain age [seniors] your ability to absorb vit D via the sun is reduced dramatically. I am outside to the extent of having to worry about skin cancer, but my vit D was down and the doctor prescribed supplements.

For those that suggest that we are NOT patriotic or caring of others if we do not agree to a mask mandate, I can only suggest that you are a needy, weak minded individual that must have the gov nanny tell you what is good for you what you must do. If so, I find it hard to believe that you are still alive after so many years. You folks that NEED the gov to mandate your behavior or the behavior of those you do not agree with, really should live in a socialist or communist country so that you can fully appreciate what you current take for granted.......FREEDOM and LIBERTY.

Before you jump on me (jump if you wish) I wear a mask when I deem it necessary and do not need anyone dictating when that time is to me. Do not equate wearing a mask with wearing a seat belt, motorcycle helmet, smoking or wearing a shirt in a business. It is not the same. I wear a mask now but tell me that you want to make it a law and I will start wearing it down around my neck. You are probably the same folks that want to "defund" the police so I am interested in how you would enforce mask wearing. As a matter of fact, I would like to see if any of you would be the neighbor that would do like the commies did in the USSR and rat out your neighbor to the authorities when you see them not wearing a mask.

If the gov mandates mask wearing, they can mandate that you wear a mask during flu season, etc. Then they will be able to mandate that you wear a certain color attire. I have been to countries where the gov shuts off the water to the homes during the day. I think some of you really NEED to live in one of those countries. It would do you good. You would not be on here complaining about "irresponsible citizens" that don't care about their fellow man. Guess what, there is no law that dictates how one should care about their fellow man. You act like you can shame someone into conforming to your standards. Get over it. Do I care if you succumb to evil virus? I don't know you, so why should I? Explain why I should care about you when you do not care about my country's FREEDOM. Everyone dies and every death is a tragedy, but no one gets out of here alive.

If you are too scared to live your own life, how do you expect to give us advice on how we should live our own? Live your life, stay away from me, wear you mask if you feel it will help you, but do not demand that I give a hoot about your needs. Charity is voluntary, demands are taxes as far as I see it.

For the one that suggests that C19 has side effects, I think you should be more truthful and less "know it all." Not everyone has life threatening or long lasting side effects from the virus, according to a doctor friend of mine that survived the virus along with his wife. When folks first started talking about the "side effects" it was when they were using ventilators and experimenting with possible remedies. Everyone knows the possible side effects of being on a ventilator for a sustained period. Before getting hysterical and telling folks that they are going to suffer for the rest of their lives if a mask mandate is not enforced, think about the "side effects" of your hysterical exaggerating can do.

Moral of the story is: be care of what you ask the gov to do, because the more you give them control, the more of a slave you are to the gov. One does not need a mask mandate. Wear one without being told to and worry less about what others are doing. They are not going to infect you if they are not already infected. I see folks without masks every day and I bet none of them are infected. If they are infected, I am either immune or I do not feel any of the symptoms of the virus, OR I did not catch it from them. If you are scared, stay home. Do not presume to dictate limitations on my LIBERTY.

Very well said.
And you've been around here long enough to know that there isn't just one Cliff Claven on this site. Probably more like a dozen or two.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by mp.scanland

Along with mask wearing, Taiwan strictly enforces quarantine protocols and vigorously does contact tracing and notificstion.

And Taiwan was able to do contract tracing because they reacted QUICKLY - like in February. Unlike the US when our intelligence agencies (all 20 of them manned by agents drawing BIG taxpayer salaries) KNEW about the coming CV Plague but were SILENCED, in February. Remember Bob Woodward? We missed the CV contact tracing boat in February and today a state like North Dakota has the WORLD's highest mortality rate. I can see how dead North Dakotans link back to that February "Sound of Silence".

[Byte1]

Oh yes, by the way. I was listening to the so-called experts on TV that said that children should be back in school. I agree, they should be back in school. But the most incredulous thing I heard was a "doctor" on TV say that the children are safer in school than at home. Now, I believe kids should be back in school, but do not try to pull the wool over my eyes by insulting me by telling me that they are "safer" in school than at home. Where do kids catch all childhood diseases and bring them home from? The correct answer is "SCHOOL."
Just goes to show you that when you rely on EXPERTS to make your decisions, you are giving up your ability to use your common sense. Can't wait to hear the arguments from this statement. Safer in school than at home, ,

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Waddling Eagle

You can order anything you like, but the people will not obey it and the police will not enforce it.

And that shines a spotlight on the reason (citizen non-cooperation) why the US is one big FAILURE at protecting its citizens. It is an irony that comes full CIRCLE. Another GRIM irony is that we are rejecting Dr. Fauci, the CDC, and ALL US medical experts and SCIENTISTS when they say, "mask-up and stay distant from each other". BUT, we look to those SAME Medical Scientists to " throw us a lifeline" of a vaccine.

It is also American vanity and laziness that is saying, "do nothing to help yourself and passively wait for Doctors and nurses to 'shoot that magic juice to me Bruce' ".

[Hape2Bhr]

Originally Posted by Dana1963

Taiwan is considered a separate country. They are supported by the U.S. It is not Communist China. Learn some world history.

Currently you are correct, but I am not so sure the same can be said a few years from now...unfortunately.

[timjones]

Originally Posted by kappy

The country of Taiwan (population almost 24 million) has had the virus under control from the beginning. In fact, there was not one new locally transmitted case of the virus for more than 200 days, NOT ONE! While Florida (population 21.5 million) has anywhere from 5000 - 10,000 cases every day. How does Taiwan do it? One of the main reasons is the mandatory use of masks in public.

Isn’t it time that we asked our representatives to make mask wearing mandatory in our state? Mandatory mask wearing is a small sacrifice for a short period of time in order to reduce and finally eliminate COVID-19? If the number of cases and deaths continue to increase, we may be forced to have another complete shutdown.

We don’t have to wait until the vaccines are distributed. Call our representatives and tell them that there should be a mandatory mask policy put in place immediately. The number for Gov. Ron DeSantis is 850-488-7146, for Sen. Dennis Baxley is 352-750-3133 and for Rep. Brett Hage is 352-315-4445. The phone numbers and/or email addresses for our county commissioners in Lake, Marion and Sumter can be found at the county websites.

I do not agree with the OP's underlying premise, but there was also a request to call politicians (some how that's not political on this forum).

So I honored your request to call, but my message was: "You may be getting calls to issue a "mask mandate" in areas beyond the authority inherit in your office. Attempting (whether successful or not), to exercise authority beyond those inherit in your office will, without exception, permanently damage my image of you for life."

BTW No single office holder has any legal authority to mandate masks nationwide!!!

If you want politicians to act like parents, then you are a child and thus an incompetent adult who is by law disallowed from voting!!!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by kannon

Taiwan has done better than us. No question. Border control (note not border shutdown), Masks, Contact tracing, Quarantines. Effective screening. Complete public health integrated to stopping covid spread.

Stopping the spread is embedded in its national institutions and its society. We failed to do that. And we are paying the price. Hopefully we learn from this. There is another more lethal pandemic down the road.

Well written - to condense SO much knowledge in a short post. Thank you! With Global Warming continuing and global trade links and travel increasing it is LOGICAL to expect future Pandemics. Our next-generation MAY (?) live their business lives outside their homes while wearing HAZ-MAT suits. The virus could EVOLVE faster than humans do!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by angiefox10

“ The COVID-19 virus exploded in The Villages on Monday as 157 new cases of the deadly virus were reported – the largest single-day jump in months.

Of those new cases, 100 were reported in the Sumter County portion of the sprawling mega-retirement mecca, while 49 were reported in Marion County and eight in the Lake County section of the community. Those cases brought the total number of positive results to 1,042 in Sumter County and 59 each in the Lake and Marion counties section of the sprawling retirement community.”

Thank you for reporting REALITY.

[Joe C.]

We need to put this mask / no mask BS to bed. It ain't gonna happen. My friend in TV and his wife were tested. He came back positive with antibodies....his wife negative.
Tested next day.....he was negative as was she. Tested a third time, both were negative. So I can't believe the tests, and can't believe the mask theory.
Covid virus WILL TOUCH EVERYBODY in this country...unless you are in solitary confinement. So you might as well catch it when you are healthy. If you believe that a mask will protect you, then God bless you. Because you're going to need it (the blessing).

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by timjones

I do not agree with the OP's underlying premise, but there was also a request to call politicians (some how that's not political on this forum).

So I honored your request to call, but my message was: "You may be getting calls to issue a "mask mandate" in areas beyond the authority inherit in your office. Attempting (whether successful or not), to exercise authority beyond those inherit in your office will, without exception, permanently damage my image of you for life."

BTW No single office holder has any legal authority to mandate masks nationwide!!!

If you want politicians to act like parents, then you are a child and thus an incompetent adult who is by law disallowed from voting!!!

Totally agree with all of your post, but especially the last line. Kudos for putting some of these WEAK people in the spotlight.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

And that shines a spotlight on the reason (citizen non-cooperation) why the US is one big FAILURE at protecting its citizens. It is an irony that comes full CIRCLE. Another GRIM irony is that we are rejecting Dr. Fauci, the CDC, and ALL US medical experts and SCIENTISTS when they say, "mask-up and stay distant from each other". BUT, we look to those SAME Medical Scientists to " throw us a lifeline" of a vaccine.

It is also American vanity and laziness that is saying, "do nothing to help yourself and passively wait for Doctors and nurses to 'shoot that magic juice to me Bruce' ".

I think that I recognize your writing style.