[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by Boomer

John Marshall Harlan is highly respected by judges across the spectrum of leanings. Chief Justice John Roberts placed Harlan’s portrait on a wall in the room where the justices discuss cases.

Jacobson had a bad reaction to a vaccine and when the smallpox vaccine was mandated, he tested the waters to the level of the Supreme Court.

Jacobson lost and was fined $5.00, and the “common good” opinion written by Harlan in 1905 is with us still.

Today’s vile, incited division is not a result of the small percentage who have real medical reasons not to take the vaccine. I do not think anyone with the ability to think that one through would want them to be forced.

But the fact remains that the current vaccine deniers' go-round is almost entirely based on the rantings of those susceptible to the propaganda they invite to invade their lives in ways that could never have been imagined 116 years ago -- OR those who are a part of the initiating and/or spreading of that propaganda because their goal is to make money by making fools of people -- or the most sinister goal of wanting to see the downfall of our beloved country.

It is interesting to note that the justice newest to SCOTUS recently did NOT succumb to the Indiana University students who wanted IU’s vaccine mandate blocked. Their protest did not get past her. (Note: The university allows exemption from the mandate for both religious and medical reasons.)

Here is a direct quote from the opinion written by the still deeply respected John Marshall Harlan -- easy to understand – or should be – summing up the “common good.”

from the Supreme Court majority opinion written by John Marshall Harlan, 1905:

“There are manifold restraints to which every person is necessarily subject for the common good. On any other basis, organized society could not exist with safety to its members. Society based on the rule that each one is a law unto himself would soon be confronted with disorder and anarchy.

Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that might be done to others.”


(And there it is – in defense of the “the common good” – engraved in our precious history -- I guess we’ll see how that goes.)

Boomer

Interesting argument but you're forgetting one thing - up until a couple of weeks these were experimental vaccines and no one can deny that they fast-tracked approval because of political pressure as it usually takes decades for the FDA to approve a drug or vaccine. That's not hysteria or belief in weird, conspiracy theories, just common sense.

No one knows the long-term effects of the vaccine nor what it will do to our immune systems, especially if we keep getting booster shots. Naturally people are worried and afraid. Also, the vaccines are only moderately effective. The reason the fully vaccinated still got Covid these past few months was because the variant was different than the spike protein in the Covid-19 vaccine. True, most didn't get terrible ill, although some did, and I know one woman who ended up in the hospital. Until there is a sterilizing vaccine that prevents infection they should not mandate these shots.

[WinnieHa]

Fun fodder, huh? Popcorn? Kindly go f&#k yourself. Maybe if your wife was in the ER , end of life status, and you couldn’t see her (no visitors) because of unvaccinated know-it-alls taking up sick beds, you might not be so entertained by responses to your little grenade. Were you home-schooled? Were you not subject to a vaccine mandate upon entering school? ? There. You got your desired reaction. Enjoy your popcorn. Bye

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by b1ll649

I am vaxed and according to the so called experts, I am protected from getting seriously ill from Covid. How are the unfaxed causing a danger to me and all the other 65% of the country who have also been vaxed? The millions who already had Covid and recovered have better imunity then I have so why should they get punished with needles needles or weekly tests? Also, what makes the postal workers so special? They come in contact with the majority of the country almost daily.

Vaxxed people are in danger because of at least 2 reasons....
1 ) if you have cancer and need a body part removed then there may be no hospital bed available for said surgery - the cancer spreads and you DIE
2 ) The VIRUS mutates into a variant that can NOT be stopped by ANY vaccine and most of us DIES

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Vaccinations have been mandatory before. This is not a first. What about mandatory vaccines for International travel? How about mandatory vaccines for children to attend school? It’s been done before. Why is the Covid vaccine any different?

I’m glad these vaccines are mandatory. Maybe we can get a handle on this virus.

The mandates are NOT yet for 100 % of the ADULT US population that can have them and NOT yet for young children. And can't be put into effect immediately. And has yet to withstand legal challenges and whatever the Supreme Court might decide?
Conclusion......the UNvaccinated can still throw a monkey wrench into the Federal turning gears. Ant they could STILL succeed at their (apparent) goal of killing a couple more 100,000 US citizens.
ALL in the name of free-DUMS. Free-DUM'S just another name for more Americans to kill and more time for the LOVELY virus to mutate and get stronger!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by drducat

This never was a vaccine.......so that is why the CDC on Sept. 1 2021 changed the definition...as I said all along.....only a band-aid.....Gives primary protection only...just stops some symptoms....Herd immunity will be achieved once the thousands of cold viruses have reached that point......aint gonna happen......how many more lies can be swallowed??

I disagree with the contents of this post.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Parents are not required by law to send their children to public school. Their attendance is not mandatory. Any parent who has a problem with the teachers being mandated to vaccinate, and their children to wear masks, are absolutely welcome, and allowed by law, to withdraw their child from public school and find another method of educating their kids.

I agree with the content of this post.

[fishon]

I’m sorry your lockdowns didn’t work.
I’m sorry your masks don’t work.
I’m sorry the vaccine doesn’t work better than a placebo.

Just to be clear, a laboratory that creates “gain of function” in viruses is making them more lethal. They are weaponizing those viruses. It is research for the purpose of biological warfare. Funded by the US taxpayers at the behest of Fauci.

[coffeebean]

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[TSO/ISPF]

Originally Posted by fishon

I’m sorry your lockdowns didn’t work.
I’m sorry your masks don’t work.
I’m sorry the vaccine doesn’t work better than a placebo.

Just to be clear, a laboratory that creates “gain of function” in viruses is making them more lethal. They are weaponizing those viruses. It is research for the purpose of biological warfare. Funded by the US taxpayers at the behest of Fauci.

What percentage of the current intensive care patients are NOT vaccinated? Direct your ire at another person or party.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

Interesting argument but you're forgetting one thing - up until a couple of weeks these were experimental vaccines and no one can deny that they fast-tracked approval because of political pressure as it usually takes decades for the FDA to approve a drug or vaccine. That's not hysteria or belief in weird, conspiracy theories, just common sense.

No one knows the long-term effects of the vaccine nor what it will do to our immune systems, especially if we keep getting booster shots. Naturally people are worried and afraid. Also, the vaccines are only moderately effective. The reason the fully vaccinated still got Covid these past few months was because the variant was different than the spike protein in the Covid-19 vaccine. True, most didn't get terrible ill, although some did, and I know one woman who ended up in the hospital. Until there is a sterilizing vaccine that prevents infection they should not mandate these shots.

Decades???? Yet another "expert" on FDA policies and procedures. Try again, this time with a much lesser time frame

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Not true.

In NY State. vaccines are mandated to attend school. I know, as a child, I had to be vaccinated before I could attend school. All it takes is one state to mandate vaccines and the stance that vaccines are not mandated to attend school becomes moot.

School Immunization Requirements

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

There have already been vaccine mandates in effect.

Countries like New Zealand and many others are able to have much stricter MANDATES for public Health than the US has. They STILL have their FREEDOMS and the freedom to be alive and enjoy those lives. Death and suffering in hospitals like in the US do NOT give Americans more FREEDOM to LIVE - just FREEDOM to die AND often take OTHER people's lives with them.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by merrymini

I would question anyone’s intellectual capacity if they agree with howard stern. Just because people do not want to be vaccinated, does not mean they are ignorant or careless. The numbers for people who have died of the virus are cooked and the agencies who, supposedly, advise on medical needs of the public have been shown to be biased, political and blatant liars. If you believe that a virus can be eradicated, it is you who do not rely on facts. Maybe it is, you who is the idiot.

How can you say a virus cannot be eradicated? The small pox virus was eradicated. The polio virus was eradicated. How? By vaccinating a public who was not resistant to the vaccines.

Thank goodness we didn't have a population of "Karens" back then. We may be living with those viruses today if it weren't for those vaccinations that people were glad to take.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Beyond The Wall

1938 Germany comes to mind.

Comes to your mind, not mine.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Joanne19335

It’s about time that this vaccine will be mandated. It wouldn’t have gotten to this point if the unvaccinated surge of cases occurred. How much proof do you need? I got my booster shot last week. I realize that certain people cannot get the vaccine for medical reasons, so stop making this political and blaming the current administration.

So, you don't follow the science?

Neither the CDC, nor and of the vaccine producers have recommended you get a booster yet... Only the WH...