[GoPacers]

We don't really know what the city council intends with their vote to "disband" the police department. Camden, NJ did in fact "disband" their police department in 2013 and rebuilt it with a different strategy. Camden still has police, just in a different organizational structure. The articles I have read would suggest that the relationship between the community and police has improved and that crime rates have declined. I am sure there is a lot more information one would need to truly understand if things are better or if they are simply not policing to the same extent.

There is a lot of emotion in today's environment. It will be interesting to see what really happens in Minneapolis. Whatever they do I hope it works out and provides a roadmap for improvements so other cities may follow.

[Kenswing]

They'll probably just contract with the County Sheriff's Department for law enforcement while they revamp their own department. Other cities have done this in similar situations.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Remember last week when you told us nobody was advocating defunding Police?

I will have to check that as I do not recall ever writing that.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

There are small towns that have no police department of their own. They rely on community programs for deterrence, such as education, block watches, food voucher systems and pantries for anyone who needs, shelter for the homeless, and so on. The crime in those areas aren't all that high to begin with, and a community safety program works for them.

But if you go back to the Constitution, you'll see that this system is built right into our country's code of law: Amendment 2A.

The right to a well-armed militia. That doesn't need to be a municipal police department and in fact, it doesn't mean that at all. It refers very specifically to the community itself, working together to create a protection against threats to the community. That can be threats that come from within, or from the government itself.

The well-armed militia is free of the government. It is NOT part of the government. This is intentional - so that in case the government becomes tyrannical, fascist, or begins attacking citizens who are *not* violating any laws at the time of the attack, the well-armed militia can stand up against the government and put them back in their place. Their place is - serving the citizens. Period.

Now about how this works in the real world. For instance; a person out of his head on PCP is tearing off his clothes and attempting to bite humans in the middle of the market place, does one educate him on the danger of addiction right then? Or should the well-armed militia gently take him to their home?

If for instance, there is a drive by shooting, should the neighbors chase the car and confiscate the guns? Naturally they have passed a no gun ordinance so that no one has guns, but there is a drive by shooting anyway and several bullets went right through the walls and into a child's bedroom and killed the child...……

And what happens if a guy comes into the sister-in-law's flower shop and takes the money out of the til? Does she instruct him to use it for food for his kiddies at home???

I hope I don't get in trouble for this but the truth is that it is framed in snarky sarcasm but I really in my heart want to know how it could work. I think it is a very good idea for the police to have controversial and situations that kill people under review by an impartial party or group. Who would that be???? WHO wouldn't be terribly naïve or extremely callous???

And I think it is wise to educate all law enforcement and first responders about good manners and polite talk and to tell them what sounds racist and what doesn't but more than that, every single person should be wearing a camera and it should be turned on and monitored by anyone who wants to see it at any time. And people should have their law breaking as transparent as can be... if you did time for it, all should know. It can't go just one way. We need to know what our police officers are doing and what our law breakers are doing. We need to see some facts and figures on rehab programs and public service programs to see if they work. We all need to see and to know what is really going on out in the dark and in the inside of homes where people are raping kids and beating each other with tire irons.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Now about how this works in the real world. For instance; a person out of his head on PCP is tearing off his clothes and attempting to bite humans in the middle of the market place, does one educate him on the danger of addiction right then? Or should the well-armed militia gently take him to their home?

If for instance, there is a drive by shooting, should the neighbors chase the car and confiscate the guns? Naturally they have passed a no gun ordinance so that no one has guns, but there is a drive by shooting anyway and several bullets went right through the walls and into a child's bedroom and killed the child...……

And what happens if a guy comes into the sister-in-law's flower shop and takes the money out of the til? Does she instruct him to use it for food for his kiddies at home???

I hope I don't get in trouble for this but the truth is that it is framed in snarky sarcasm but I really in my heart want to know how it could work. I think it is a very good idea for the police to have controversial and situations that kill people under review by an impartial party or group. Who would that be???? WHO wouldn't be terribly naïve or extremely callous???

And I think it is wise to educate all law enforcement and first responders about good manners and polite talk and to tell them what sounds racist and what doesn't but more than that, every single person should be wearing a camera and it should be turned on and monitored by anyone who wants to see it at any time. And people should have their law breaking as transparent as can be... if you did time for it, all should know. It can't go just one way. We need to know what our police officers are doing and what our law breakers are doing. We need to see some facts and figures on rehab programs and public service programs to see if they work. We all need to see and to know what is really going on out in the dark and in the inside of homes where people are raping kids and beating each other with tire irons.

I nominate this for best Gracie post ever

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

I nominate this for best Gracie post ever

Sounds like 1984 and Big Brother.

Moderation in all things is the answer except for my post count on Talk of the Villages.

[ColdNoMore]

And here is a perfect example of why many cities are trying to find another way to provide an entity... that actually "serves & protects" ALL citizens.

This Philly cop had a large pro-Nazi tattoo, yet the FOP defended his right...to show his hate.

Click Here

The Pennsylvania Labor Relations Board has upheld the Philadelphia Police Department’s unilateral decision to institute a policy regarding officers’ tattoos in the wake of public outcry over one officer’s apparent Nazi tattoo.

The PLRB issued a final order this week dismissing the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge No. 5’s complaint that the police department should have negotiated the policy with the union.

A public employer has “the managerial right to implement policies that promote the public’s confidence and ensure integrity in the government,” the PLRB said. “The City has an interest in its officers, as representatives of the City, having an appearance of providing fair, balanced and non-prejudicial law enforcement. Offensive tattoos undermine the public perception of the integrity and credibility of the officer and the City thereby losing the public’s trust.”

While this white supremacist and pro-Nazi (you can Google more about him and his affiliations) was finally gotten rid of, why would the police union fight...for this scumbag to keep his job?

And people wonder, why there is such delusion and a lack of confidence toward some police departments...being able to clean their own house?

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

why would the police union fight...for this scumbag to keep his job?

Why would protestors and rioters fight for a scumbag like George Floyd who stuck a gun in a pregnant woman's stomach?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

"We committed to dismantling policing as we know it in the city of Minneapolis and to rebuild with our community a new model of public safety that actually keeps our community safe," Council President Lisa Bender told CNN

"(We need) to listen, especially to our black leaders, to our communities of color, for whom policing is not working and to really let the solutions lie in our community," she said.

Minneapolis police: City Council members announce intent to defund the police department - CNN

Here's a video of Minneapolis destruction during riots, is this what their city council is "listening" to?

Twitter

Yep, we’ll see how that works out? Rat-at-ta-ta. Wild Wild West....

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

There are small towns that have no police department of their own. They rely on community programs for deterrence, such as education, block watches, food voucher systems and pantries for anyone who needs, shelter for the homeless, and so on. The crime in those areas aren't all that high to begin with, and a community safety program works for them.

But if you go back to the Constitution, you'll see that this system is built right into our country's code of law: Amendment 2A.

The right to a well-armed militia. That doesn't need to be a municipal police department and in fact, it doesn't mean that at all. It refers very specifically to the community itself, working together to create a protection against threats to the community. That can be threats that come from within, or from the government itself.

The well-armed militia is free of the government. It is NOT part of the government. This is intentional - so that in case the government becomes tyrannical, fascist, or begins attacking citizens who are *not* violating any laws at the time of the attack, the well-armed militia can stand up against the government and put them back in their place. Their place is - serving the citizens. Period.

Yes, and there are some that takes the law I their own hands. Goggle skidmore Missouri and ken Rex McRoy. Big major cities will be killing fields.

[John_W]

I can imagine that right now, going downtown and parking your car and walking to some office building. The gangs and thugs are going to fight over which street is in their territory. There's going to be muggings all day long. Shop owners will have to board up and get out, the cities that are already in distress will become ghost towns. This is probably the worse idea ever known to man!!

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by PennBF

I am honestly interested as to how essentially firing the police and developing a new system of civil control will fix the Black victim problem? Since the basis for these protests are predicated on a victim mentality and decades of providing public housing and financial give away programs has not worked? I believe the recovery program for blacks that have been mistreated for decades by taking away the dignity of the family by providing everything free to settle our conscience has been a dismal failure. It has led to fathers leaving their family and mothers left to raise the children. It has led to families having more children in order to get more free government support. One bad step that was made was not to build into a support program the basic need for dignity. That's another way of providing a "give away program" without requiring employment and work. Going back to Roosevelt he at least built a WPA program and had the disadvantaged work which protected their
rights for dignity and at the same time provided meaningful support for the communities they worked in. Give away programs do not work. The quicker we recognize that the better it will be! We almost have to start from a ground "0" because there essentially are no programs in place to provide and demand work for a fair days wages. Lets go to things that work and not try to bring order to communities using the same old failure methods. We need
infrastructure fixed including bridges, roads, dams, railroads, etc etc. lets create jobs and employment opportunities for the disadvantage and pay them well for their work but restrict give away programs to the citizens that are truly unable to
work! This practice and programs my start a new way of helping and protecting our land and people.

Give away programs do work for elected career officials.

[Two Bills]

Area policing has never been the same anywhere, since they took police off foot patrols and put them all in cars.
Local police knew their neighborhoods, the people, and most of all the villains.
The spoke daily to the people in their area, built up a relationship, were trusted, and most of all given infomation of dirty deeds in the offing.
Now the police have no contact with Joe Public unless called to a crime scene.
Put them back on foot!!

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Why would protestors and rioters fight for a scumbag like George Floyd who stuck a gun in a pregnant woman's stomach?

Repeating again that I in no way support those protestors looting/vandalizing/promoting violence, maybe the answer to your question is...because we ALL saw a cop act as judge, jury AND executioner in murdering Floyd, right in front of our own eyes?

Now back to my question, why would a police union fight for a white supremacist/Nazi supporter...to stay a cop?

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by John_W

I can imagine that right now, going downtown and parking your car and walking to some office building. The gangs and thugs are going to fight over which street is in their territory. There's going to be muggings all day long. Shop owners will have to board up and get out, the cities that are already in distress will become ghost towns. This is probably the worse idea ever known to man!!

The sad part is that the minorities are the ones who will lose their jobs as the lawlessness will force store owners and other businesses to move away.

One would have hoped that the people who will be affected by this would rise up and do something to protect their livelihood.

Depending upon the govt to live just condemns generation after generation to a life of poverty.