[J1ceasar]

The government mandates lots of things. You have to have a driver's license to drive, you have to pay your taxes, you need a couple of coins to ride the bus etc. The government also mandates that gas mower stops when you release the handle, that's a safety issue. The government mandated no more incandescent bulbs, so yes there were mandates and some of them are very good ones. By the way it's illegal to curse out loud in a government national Park.

[Pat2015]

You stated, “Anti-Vaxers just refuse to get vaccinated regardless of the health risks.” Have you considered that they feel as though getting the vaccine is a health risk? Personal choice for everyone to decide what’s best for themselves. Not for you or anyone to decide what’s best for them.

[Pat2015]

Great post!

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by J1ceasar

The government mandates lots of things. You have to have a driver's license to drive, you have to pay your taxes, you need a couple of coins to ride the bus etc. The government also mandates that gas mower stops when you release the handle, that's a safety issue. The government mandated no more incandescent bulbs, so yes there were mandates and some of them are very good ones. By the way it's illegal to curse out loud in a government national Park.

None of that is necessarily a positive look at the government.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Neils

Why did you start another thread on the same old topic? Covid is old news thanks to warpspeed

Warpspeed was the ONE good element of the MANY bad elements of the EARLY national CLUMSY attempts to protect US citizens from CV. 1st there was "happy talk" that implied that CV did NOT even EXIST. Then there was the "same as the flu" type of downplaying. Then there was the incorrect modeling of how to deal with CV. Reporters and garden guests were seated shoulder-to-shoulder and were FORBIDDEN from wearing masks. This general "downplaying" drifted down to the average US citizen. It could be seen EVEN in the posts of TV Landers on this forum. The "mask aversion" in TV Land continues to this day. But, here is the BIG-TIME "REST of the Story". This early failure of the US to protect its citizens (as ANY country is SUPPOSED to do) - resulted in about 200,000 UNNECESSARY deaths for us Americans. It was TRAGIC!

These UNNECESSARY DEATHS were at around Dec. 2020 - 200,000 out of about 350,000 deaths were preventable had the government strongly supported masks and social distancing before Jan 2021 when the vaccines started to be available to select, elite people. This is provable because at that same time governments that reacted well to the CV problem like S. Korea, Australia, Finland, Norway, and Japan had almost zero deaths. The US and Sweden were the countries that screwed up and had many UNNECESSARY deaths. Warpspeed was the ONLY bright spot in an otherwise DISMAL record that the US had early in the CV Pandemic when US citizens were let down by their OWN government to the tune of 200,000 Americans DEAD!!!!!!!

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

You stated, “Anti-Vaxers just refuse to get vaccinated regardless of the health risks.” Have you considered that they feel as though getting the vaccine is a health risk? Personal choice for everyone to decide what’s best for themselves. Not for you or anyone to decide what’s best for them.

I can feel that the earth is flat but that doesn't make it true.

I can feel that humans were put on this earth by an advanced alien civilization but that doesn't make it true,

I can feel the moon is made out of cheese but that doesn't make it true.

Others can feel that the vaccine is a health risk but that doesn't make it true. (NOTE: for some few individuals, any vaccine is a health risk and this one is no different)

Most people currently have a choice to be vaccinated and that's the way things ought to be but there are consequences to those choices (maybe for the vaccinated, definitely for the unvaccinated).

[heenables]

If anyone ever wanted to test and see how well the sheep follow instructions it is now clear to see. Amazing to see all the regurgitated comments. There are people on here that were 100% ready to wear masks for the next 2 years and some were ready to double and triple mask... That's the science. Now you follow the science that changed overnight and go gallivanting without one. It's actually pretty comical to watch. Mind your own business and I will mind mine. Pretty sure some are incapable of that but it's what people actually want at this time. Oh and also you will never know if the person next to you at the grocery store who isn't wearing a mask is vaccinated or not and I know that you will be thinking about it for at least the next year and it angers you. It shouldn't because it's none of your business. Enjoy your day :-)

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

Great post!

I happen to think it is a good post.
I particularly like the person who said, my body, my decision.. and went on and on about the gov overstepping....if he doesn't want to be vaccinated..its his business....blah,blah blah
Yet he mentioned he got his vaccine.....too funny
He's mad at the government...but first in line with his arm stuck out.

Everyone that says...its my business if I get the shot or not...is it? No, I don't think so. Not if you want to join in on life with the rest of us....taking cruises, flying, movies, dinners in restaurants. If you choose to cease doing these things...then yes...your business,your lonely life.
But please people stop talking out of two sides of your mouth...you are not children stop acting as such.
Biden's "consequences" comment was not a threat...he was just stating the obvious of what I just posted.

And yes, this info popping up once a week or so is a great thing...so we all can stay informed.

[petiteone]

Any and all information is appreciated. As a retired MD, I'm always alarmed by those who don't want to see important sources being listed and relisted. Knowledge is power. If you don't want to be educated, don't read the posts.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

Why don’t you just stop already. By this time everyone has made their choice so just let it go already.

FYI if you choose to believe in the left media mob good for you, if you choose to believe in big Pharm good for you. I choose not yo believe in either......I go by history with both

“Let it go, Let it go”

Other countries did NOT make mask-wearing, social distancing, and vaccination into a BIG DEAL. To them, it was simply an ordinary, although important public health problem. Other countries did NOT let it become EMOTIONAL - they did NOT let it DIVIDE them!

I wonder why that was? WHY were WE divided? Hmmmmmmm - maybe some foreign actor that hates the US and has access to cyber hackers and bots would want to spread propaganda throughout America to weaken and divide us? Then that propaganda would be spread and magnified by our own TV channels until we end up with 60% of the US thinking one way about everything and 40% thinking the propaganda way. Hmmmmmmm - just thinking out loud!

[Hifred]

Making your own choice is good if your decision does hurt another person. What you say about choice and the government is not reasonable if someone is spreading a virus that can kill me. I wouldn't pat the past administration on the back. If everyone was masking up last February then it never would have gotten as bad as it did. You are mandated to wear a seat belt to save lives. Do you? Then why fight wearing a mask during a pandemic? You said you would wear one if you were sick. With Covid last year people were spreading it and some didn't even know they had it because there was asymptomatic spread. Talk of the Villages let's people provide political beliefs when they are conservative ones. Such as those thanking the past administration for warp speed but doesn't allow those to discuss why we weren't prompted to follow health and safety measures or why there was insufficient testing to identify and stop the spread of the virus back in February 2020. Or why there were critical shortages of medical masks and hospital supplies. If Talk of the Villages removes this post then remove the ones thanking operation Warp Speed. The drug companies were working on finding a vaccine back in November 2019. I know because I have children who are senior researchers for a major drug company. It had nothing to do with the last administration that actually made it more difficult for these companies by commandeering much needed supplies for research. Plane loads of supplies bought by drug companies for research were taken by the federal government in March 2020 slowing vaccine development not helping it.

Originally Posted by Byte1

Seems like a desperate plea or attempt to prove to oneself that they made the right decision to get the vaccination. To be honest with you, the more I read about this stuff the more I am wondering whether or not we made the right decision to get the vaccination. AND, I am not sure that making children get the vaccination at this early stage, when the virus is not very dangerous to them in general, is not such a great idea either.
At this point, after reading all the comments on here and listening to all the desperate folks attempting to convince others that they made the right decision to get vaccinated, I have made a preemptive decision to NOT get the booster shot when offered.
I keep hearing such ideas as "mandatory mask wearing" "mandatory vax passports" "madatory vaccination IDs" etc. I have never heard so many folks demanding that the gov MANDATE their opinions and wants in my life. And the free give-aways is getting out of control.
Never has the population of America been so weak minded and spineless, and so dependent on the gov nanny.
Discussing the merits of vaccination is one thing, but to insist that everyone agree with you or be declared stupid, UN-American, UN-patriotic, ignorant, etc. is proving that you do not have the ability to respect other folks' views.
Against my prudent reasoning, I got my shots months ago. Now, I will resume normal living and I will only wear a mask IF I develope a cold or other possible contagious illness. Until this started, I NEVER owned a mask other than one in my workshop for using paint stripper or sanding. I do not care if you want to get the vaccination or not. It's none of my business what you do and I respect your opinion, whether or not I agree with it. Quit trying to force others to reinforce your decision. I will always resist anything from the gov that attempts to FORCE us to do something against the will of a substantial portion of our population.
I applaud the past administration for Warp Speed and it's attempt to provide a solution, but I also applaud any leaders that are allowing their constituents to make their own decisions, such as has been done here in Florida.
Like one very famous person once said "beware of the words: I am from the gov and I am here to help you." paraphrased.

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by Andyb

I guess some people are not happy until they get others to make the same mistakes they made. My body, my choice.
Usually, these threads are closed before anyone has a chance to comment, except for the same few people. Not sure how that works, but looks like censorship to me.

they get closed because people can't follow forum rules. before you know it certain themes are thrown around & then the insults start. what was a forum for community discussion becomes just another mass-media thread found almost anywhere in publications today. personally, i couldn't attack another forum member in such ways

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Seems like a desperate plea or attempt to prove to oneself that they made the right decision to get the vaccination. To be honest with you, the more I read about this stuff the more I am wondering whether or not we made the right decision to get the vaccination. AND, I am not sure that making children get the vaccination at this early stage, when the virus is not very dangerous to them in general, is not such a great idea either.
At this point, after reading all the comments on here and listening to all the desperate folks attempting to convince others that they made the right decision to get vaccinated, I have made a preemptive decision to NOT get the booster shot when offered.
I keep hearing such ideas as "mandatory mask wearing" "mandatory vax passports" "madatory vaccination IDs" etc. I have never heard so many folks demanding that the gov MANDATE their opinions and wants in my life. And the free give-aways is getting out of control.
Never has the population of America been so weak minded and spineless, and so dependent on the gov nanny.
Discussing the merits of vaccination is one thing, but to insist that everyone agree with you or be declared stupid, UN-American, UN-patriotic, ignorant, etc. is proving that you do not have the ability to respect other folks' views.
Against my prudent reasoning, I got my shots months ago. Now, I will resume normal living and I will only wear a mask IF I develope a cold or other possible contagious illness. Until this started, I NEVER owned a mask other than one in my workshop for using paint stripper or sanding. I do not care if you want to get the vaccination or not. It's none of my business what you do and I respect your opinion, whether or not I agree with it. Quit trying to force others to reinforce your decision. I will always resist anything from the gov that attempts to FORCE us to do something against the will of a substantial portion of our population.
I applaud the past administration for Warp Speed and it's attempt to provide a solution, but I also applaud any leaders that are allowing their constituents to make their own decisions, such as has been done here in Florida.
Like one very famous person once said "beware of the words: I am from the gov and I am here to help you." paraphrased.

Someone is showing lots of love for Ronald Reagan - who was very good at delivering a speech because he was an ACTOR primarily - he could read a script really well.

Now as far as MANDATES go.......I guess you NEVER click on your seat belt because that is one of those DASTARDLY government mandates. I guess you don't want your life saved and your family and friend's lives. And I guess that when Russia sends a missile at central Florida that you will singlehandedly shoot it down with your Red Rider BB gun or some other weapon. That's right! Who needs ANY government? We should ALL of us just NOT pay any income tax. That will show those nasty government lazy jerks!

[Pat2015]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I can feel that the earth is flat but that doesn't make it true.

I can feel that humans were put on this earth by an advanced alien civilization but that doesn't make it true,

I can feel the moon is made out of cheese but that doesn't make it true.

Others can feel that the vaccine is a health risk but that doesn't make it true. (NOTE: for some few individuals, any vaccine is a health risk and this one is no different)

Most people currently have a choice to be vaccinated and that's the way things ought to be but there are consequences to those choices (maybe for the vaccinated, definitely for the unvaccinated).

As I said, their choice and it’s not for you or anyone else to put people down that don’t agree with you. Everyone getting vaccinated is participating in the ongoing clinical study and it’s a personal choice to not participate!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Girlcopper

This is exactly the type of post the OP was referring to. Good for you that youre not getting the booster shot. Your choice, your life.
Now can we end the soap box tales and move onto new topics. Rehashing the old is getting quite boring. Give it up already and move on!!

If everyone is so bored, then why are they reading the posts. Just some kind of "vicarious thrill"?