[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by PJackpot

Getting vaccinated or not is a personal choice. Why can’t you just leave it at that and move on with your life? If you’ve been vaccinated there is nothing for you to worry about.

That is wrong. How many times have I and scientists said that the virus will go to the unvaccinated people and besides KILLING some of them - it will use them to multiply and get stronger through variants until it could defeat our current vaccines or worse become so deadly that it kills off 20% of the human race. This is a definite POSSIBILITY. Why play Russian roulette with this deadly Pandemic???? Man up, mask up, and get the damn shot! The variants in India, S. Africa, and Brazil are killing children. Please Google this and forget the liberal vs conservative BS. We are ALL humans. It IS a HUMAN problem - not a left vs right problem. GET REAL!

[drducat]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Some horses can be taken to water, but they will NOT drink.

Right....and I won't drink salt water just because I am thirsty!

[drducat]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That is wrong. How many times have I and scientists said that the virus will go to the unvaccinated people and besides KILLING some of them - it will use them to multiply and get stronger through variants until it could defeat our current vaccines or worse become so deadly that it kills off 20% of the human race. This is a definite POSSIBILITY. Why play Russian roulette with this deadly Pandemic???? Man up, mask up, and get the damn shot! The variants in India, S. Africa, and Brazil are killing children. Please Google this and forget the liberal vs conservative BS. We are ALL humans. It IS a HUMAN problem - not a left vs right problem. GET REAL!

There are theories that variants are coming from those that are vaccinated....

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by drducat

There are theories that variants are coming from those that are vaccinated....

That's a beauty. I NEVER heard THAT before. But, I bet that it started with V. Putin and spread to the dark, propaganda-type TV channels here in the US. Note: they were NOT here in 1950 through 1980 when the US was a more patriotic, less divided country - and we hated the Russian dictators! Now we orbit toward them. Beware fascism it creeps up on you and is delivered by creeps!

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

It seems like every thread on anything to do with Covid eventually dissolves into a vaccinated vs non-vaccinated discussion. Many times people quote mRNA misconceptions as the reason. But Anti-vaxxers don't care if it is mRNA or not - they just refuse to get vaccinated regardless of the health risks.

To keep this from evolving into more of the same, here are all the mRNA threads already on TOTV:


What to Know About mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines

mRNA Vaccines Do Offer More Immunity Than Natural Infection

The Scientist Who Laid the Groundwork for mRNA Vaccines

mRNA Vaccines Are NOT Gene Therapy

Research Summary: Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine

The real truth about messenger RNA

PFIZER and MODERNA full FDA approval

I don't think we need any more........

This posting has no meaning whatsoever and offers nothing positive. There is no merit to discussing (arguing) whether mRNA shots (not a vaccine) will cause problems in the future or not. You don't "win" by posting the most links that assert "safety" and "approval" of same. You also don't "win" by declaring that your "experts" are better / smarter / more trustworthy than other "experts". Some experts are louder than others and some are being suppressed by the media / social censors. "Approved" talking heads does not mean that they are correct. All that matters is what actually happens in the next 6-18 months or even later.

I'm not vaccinated and I'm staying that way. Ditto with my entire family. I know with 100% certainty how the mRNA shot (not a vaccine) will affect us ... It won't have any effect at all. My wife is on the front lines taking care of the elderly / sick every day. Like me, she keeps her vitamin C, D and zinc levels up. She has definitely been exposed to Covid-19 multiple times. This includes a 6-hour ride in an enclosed vehicle with an infected person right next to her in the car. Her employer mandates testing multiple times per week. She has yet to show a positive result. Her immune system is doing its job just fine. Same with me. I sleep with her every night and I remain negative. We do not wear masks and don't give a sh!t about distancing. (6 feet was a made up number anyway). Since she tests negative, she is NOT an "asymptomatic spreader" as some have suggested. Can't spread what you don't have. An asymptomatic spreader is someone WITH the virus but without symptoms. Her testing is showing that either she is not catching the virus or her God-given immune system is doing so well that it can't grab hold.

All that matters is what actually happens in the future. Only the future will reveal that; not some post by you or anyone else.

So, rather than continually bringing up posts suggesting who is correct and who is not, just sit and wait. Let's just see what the world looks like a little further down the road; when the human testing is finished.

Perhaps it will be us "unvaccinated" that will get a passport to take cruises and go to sports stadiums, etc. A lot of retailers just opened up nationwide with no mask required for the "fully vaccinated". How are those passports working out? There is no checking and there isn't going to be. The fact is that anywhere that a "fully vaccinated" person can go mask less, so can anyone else. I personally applaud that. It's about damn time.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by drducat

There are theories that variants are coming from those that are vaccinated....

All your theories are are straight out of the conspiracy playbook.
India hadn't started vaccinating when their variant was discovered.
You belong with the looney tunes who claim the virus came from phone masts and the 5G broadband rollout.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It IS a HUMAN problem - not a left vs right problem. GET REAL!

Why don't you "get real" and give it up. There are those that will not get vaccinated now matter how much you preach.

[GeriS]

Remember last summer when the CDC quietly admitted that only 6% of Covid deaths were specifically from Covid and that the other 94% had an average of two comorbidities, which were the true cause of death?

They've now changed it again to 5% and an average of FOUR comorbidities for the remaining 95%.

So lets break this down...

The "total claim" for Covid 19 deaths in the US is currently at 568,000.

5% of 568,000 is 28,400 people who have died from Covid-19 in the United States in 15 months.

That breaks down to 63 people per day, or just over one person per state.

For reference, almost 3,300 people die PER DAY in AUTO ACCIDENTS.

Meaning that over the past 15 months an American citizen has been 52 times more likely to die in an auto accident than of Covid-19. Yet many people don't even wear a seatbelt or think twice about their safety when driving.

What's the difference?

MANUFACTURED FEAR BY THE MSM.

That would be the same MSM who is complicit in the 28,400 deaths that Covid actually caused after they lied to the American people and demonized hydroxychloroquine, which has close to a 99% success rate in treating Covid when administered correctly and on time.

This is also the same MSM who covered for Cuomo, Whitmer, Newsome and other governors who are responsible for the murder of THOUSANDS of sick nursing home patients that were illegally grouped together in order to inflate the death count.

They will stop at nothing to keep this lie going, as they've shown time and time again since the beginning.

"Pandemic" and "empty hospitals" don't add up. Its that simple.

Covid-19 was the greatest hoax ever perpetuated on mankind.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by GeriS

Remember last summer when the CDC quietly admitted that only 6% of Covid deaths were specifically from Covid and that the other 94% had an average of two comorbidities, which were the true cause of death?

They've now changed it again to 5% and an average of FOUR comorbidities for the remaining 95%.

So lets break this down...

The "total claim" for Covid 19 deaths in the US is currently at 568,000.

5% of 568,000 is 28,400 people who have died from Covid-19 in the United States in 15 months.

That breaks down to 63 people per day, or just over one person per state.

For reference, almost 3,300 people die PER DAY in AUTO ACCIDENTS.

Meaning that over the past 15 months an American citizen has been 52 times more likely to die in an auto accident than of Covid-19. Yet many people don't even wear a seatbelt or think twice about their safety when driving.

What's the difference?



<more rant and conspiracy deleted>

<yawn>

I think you will find, if you look, that the number of auto accident deaths in the *US* is about 38,000 per year. here and here

There were more than 500,000 additional deaths in 2020 than in 2017, 2018, or 2019. You can throw around the terms "of Covid" and "with Covid" all you want but the fact remains that due to Covid 500,000 people in the US died who otherwise would not have.

To me, it's *that* simple.

[GPGuar]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

I happen to think it is a good post.
I particularly like the person who said, my body, my decision.. and went on and on about the gov overstepping....if he doesn't want to be vaccinated..its his business....blah,blah blah
Yet he mentioned he got his vaccine.....too funny
He's mad at the government...but first in line with his arm stuck out.

Everyone that says...its my business if I get the shot or not...is it? No, I don't think so. Not if you want to join in on life with the rest of us....taking cruises, flying, movies, dinners in restaurants. If you choose to cease doing these things...then yes...your business,your lonely life.
But please people stop talking out of two sides of your mouth...you are not children stop acting as such.
Biden's "consequences" comment was not a threat...he was just stating the obvious of what I just posted.

And yes, this info popping up once a week or so is a great thing...so we all can stay informed.

You still don’t get it... (probably never will), if you are vaccinated against covid then you need not worry about the person next to you. There’s a very slim chance of ever catching it with the vaccine so why should you care if someone chooses not to? Stop worrying about other people and start living again. Stop following all the sheep! Just breathe!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

This posting has no meaning whatsoever and offers nothing positive. There is no merit to discussing (arguing) whether mRNA shots (not a vaccine) will cause problems in the future or not. You don't "win" by posting the most links that assert "safety" and "approval" of same. You also don't "win" by declaring that your "experts" are better / smarter / more trustworthy than other "experts". Some experts are louder than others and some are being suppressed by the media / social censors. "Approved" talking heads does not mean that they are correct. All that matters is what actually happens in the next 6-18 months or even later.

I'm not vaccinated and I'm staying that way. Ditto with my entire family. I know with 100% certainty how the mRNA shot (not a vaccine) will affect us ... It won't have any effect at all. My wife is on the front lines taking care of the elderly / sick every day. Like me, she keeps her vitamin C, D and zinc levels up. She has definitely been exposed to Covid-19 multiple times. This includes a 6-hour ride in an enclosed vehicle with an infected person right next to her in the car. Her employer mandates testing multiple times per week. She has yet to show a positive result. Her immune system is doing its job just fine. Same with me. I sleep with her every night and I remain negative. We do not wear masks and don't give a sh!t about distancing. (6 feet was a made up number anyway). Since she tests negative, she is NOT an "asymptomatic spreader" as some have suggested. Can't spread what you don't have. An asymptomatic spreader is someone WITH the virus but without symptoms. Her testing is showing that either she is not catching the virus or her God-given immune system is doing so well that it can't grab hold.

All that matters is what actually happens in the future. Only the future will reveal that; not some post by you or anyone else.

So, rather than continually bringing up posts suggesting who is correct and who is not, just sit and wait. Let's just see what the world looks like a little further down the road; when the human testing is finished.

Perhaps it will be us "unvaccinated" that will get a passport to take cruises and go to sports stadiums, etc. A lot of retailers just opened up nationwide with no mask required for the "fully vaccinated". How are those passports working out? There is no checking and there isn't going to be. The fact is that anywhere that a "fully vaccinated" person can go mask less, so can anyone else. I personally applaud that. It's about damn time.

Whenever I hear CV and vitamin C, D, and zinc in the same sentence, I know that misinformation and/or conspiracy theories are coming next. Medical science about CV is going to be bent into a pretzel to push out someone's strongly held personal opinion.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

This posting has no meaning whatsoever and offers nothing positive. There is no merit to discussing (arguing) whether mRNA shots (not a vaccine) will cause problems in the future or not. You don't "win" by posting the most links that assert "safety" and "approval" of same. You also don't "win" by declaring that your "experts" are better / smarter / more trustworthy than other "experts". Some experts are louder than others and some are being suppressed by the media / social censors. "Approved" talking heads does not mean that they are correct. All that matters is what actually happens in the next 6-18 months or even later.

I'm not vaccinated and I'm staying that way. Ditto with my entire family. I know with 100% certainty how the mRNA shot (not a vaccine) will affect us ... It won't have any effect at all. My wife is on the front lines taking care of the elderly / sick every day. Like me, she keeps her vitamin C, D and zinc levels up. She has definitely been exposed to Covid-19 multiple times. This includes a 6-hour ride in an enclosed vehicle with an infected person right next to her in the car. Her employer mandates testing multiple times per week. She has yet to show a positive result. Her immune system is doing its job just fine. Same with me. I sleep with her every night and I remain negative. We do not wear masks and don't give a sh!t about distancing. (6 feet was a made up number anyway). Since she tests negative, she is NOT an "asymptomatic spreader" as some have suggested. Can't spread what you don't have. An asymptomatic spreader is someone WITH the virus but without symptoms. Her testing is showing that either she is not catching the virus or her God-given immune system is doing so well that it can't grab hold.

All that matters is what actually happens in the future. Only the future will reveal that; not some post by you or anyone else.

So, rather than continually bringing up posts suggesting who is correct and who is not, just sit and wait. Let's just see what the world looks like a little further down the road; when the human testing is finished.

Perhaps it will be us "unvaccinated" that will get a passport to take cruises and go to sports stadiums, etc. A lot of retailers just opened up nationwide with no mask required for the "fully vaccinated". How are those passports working out? There is no checking and there isn't going to be. The fact is that anywhere that a "fully vaccinated" person can go mask less, so can anyone else. I personally applaud that. It's about damn time.

It just sounds strange and illogical that you are going to stop a Global Pandemic that has KILLED about 600,000 US citizens with a couple of vitamin pills and a zinc pill. That is NOT logical. If it were TRUE then, worldwide all scientists would have already tested and run trials for this miracle cure - and they would be heralding that TRUTH from the mountaintops. Why would some obscure couple in TV Land be the ONLY people in this big, wide world to have this SPECIAL KNOWLEDGE? It JUST does NOT pass the LAUGHABLE test.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

This posting has no meaning whatsoever and offers nothing positive. There is no merit to discussing (arguing) whether mRNA shots (not a vaccine) will cause problems in the future or not. You don't "win" by posting the most links that assert "safety" and "approval" of same. You also don't "win" by declaring that your "experts" are better / smarter / more trustworthy than other "experts". Some experts are louder than others and some are being suppressed by the media / social censors. "Approved" talking heads does not mean that they are correct. All that matters is what actually happens in the next 6-18 months or even later.

I'm not vaccinated and I'm staying that way. Ditto with my entire family. I know with 100% certainty how the mRNA shot (not a vaccine) will affect us ... It won't have any effect at all. My wife is on the front lines taking care of the elderly / sick every day. Like me, she keeps her vitamin C, D and zinc levels up. She has definitely been exposed to Covid-19 multiple times. This includes a 6-hour ride in an enclosed vehicle with an infected person right next to her in the car. Her employer mandates testing multiple times per week. She has yet to show a positive result. Her immune system is doing its job just fine. Same with me. I sleep with her every night and I remain negative. We do not wear masks and don't give a sh!t about distancing. (6 feet was a made up number anyway). Since she tests negative, she is NOT an "asymptomatic spreader" as some have suggested. Can't spread what you don't have. An asymptomatic spreader is someone WITH the virus but without symptoms. Her testing is showing that either she is not catching the virus or her God-given immune system is doing so well that it can't grab hold.

All that matters is what actually happens in the future. Only the future will reveal that; not some post by you or anyone else.

So, rather than continually bringing up posts suggesting who is correct and who is not, just sit and wait. Let's just see what the world looks like a little further down the road; when the human testing is finished.

Perhaps it will be us "unvaccinated" that will get a passport to take cruises and go to sports stadiums, etc. A lot of retailers just opened up nationwide with no mask required for the "fully vaccinated". How are those passports working out? There is no checking and there isn't going to be. The fact is that anywhere that a "fully vaccinated" person can go mask less, so can anyone else. I personally applaud that. It's about damn time.

It is clear that we have one person that is NOT going to have their mind changed. Not going to even be put into a vaccine-hesitant group, but rather a special anti-anti-anti-anti-vaccine group. What IS possible IS that the wife in this example may be EXTREMELY LUCKY. Or there is a REMOTE possibility that she has some DNA trait or DNA strand that fights against CV. If so I hope that medical research will find out IF that is true. Meanwhile, here in Earth#1, I will put vitamins and zinc as a cure for CV in the same category as using ultra-violet light, using bleach, and also believing in alien abductions!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

This posting has no meaning whatsoever and offers nothing positive. There is no merit to discussing (arguing) whether mRNA shots (not a vaccine) will cause problems in the future or not. You don't "win" by posting the most links that assert "safety" and "approval" of same. You also don't "win" by declaring that your "experts" are better / smarter / more trustworthy than other "experts". Some experts are louder than others and some are being suppressed by the media / social censors. "Approved" talking heads does not mean that they are correct. All that matters is what actually happens in the next 6-18 months or even later.

I'm not vaccinated and I'm staying that way. Ditto with my entire family. I know with 100% certainty how the mRNA shot (not a vaccine) will affect us ... It won't have any effect at all. My wife is on the front lines taking care of the elderly / sick every day. Like me, she keeps her vitamin C, D and zinc levels up. She has definitely been exposed to Covid-19 multiple times. This includes a 6-hour ride in an enclosed vehicle with an infected person right next to her in the car. Her employer mandates testing multiple times per week. She has yet to show a positive result. Her immune system is doing its job just fine. Same with me. I sleep with her every night and I remain negative. We do not wear masks and don't give a sh!t about distancing. (6 feet was a made up number anyway). Since she tests negative, she is NOT an "asymptomatic spreader" as some have suggested. Can't spread what you don't have. An asymptomatic spreader is someone WITH the virus but without symptoms. Her testing is showing that either she is not catching the virus or her God-given immune system is doing so well that it can't grab hold.

All that matters is what actually happens in the future. Only the future will reveal that; not some post by you or anyone else.

So, rather than continually bringing up posts suggesting who is correct and who is not, just sit and wait. Let's just see what the world looks like a little further down the road; when the human testing is finished.

Perhaps it will be us "unvaccinated" that will get a passport to take cruises and go to sports stadiums, etc. A lot of retailers just opened up nationwide with no mask required for the "fully vaccinated". How are those passports working out? There is no checking and there isn't going to be. The fact is that anywhere that a "fully vaccinated" person can go mask less, so can anyone else. I personally applaud that. It's about damn time.

Cute pet mouse! The next to last paragraph reads, just SIT and WAIT. I might endorse that strategy IF ONLY I believed that the Covid Virus would promise (pinky swear) that it would never, never mutate and start NEW, more dangerous variants ever again. Sitting and waiting COULD be a death sentence for (who knows) many thousands or millions of HUMAN BEINGS worldwide! And on WHOSE advice? (some obscure lucky couple in TV Land)??????

[drducat]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

All your theories are are straight out of the conspiracy playbook.
India hadn't started vaccinating when their variant was discovered.
You belong with the looney tunes who claim the virus came from phone masts and the 5G broadband rollout.

If you bother to go through NIH website...you will find all the conspiracy and Russia hoax theories all published as science.