[Two Bills]

England has today officially dumped Vaccine Passports.
To much trouble, and cost to introduce.
Scotland is still going ahead with them.

[drducat]

Herd immunity is toast....


‘Herd immunity’ impossible to achieve, say experts

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by lkagele

Did you even listen to the podcast? Just because it may be far right doesn't mean it isn't accurate or contain thought provoking ideas. The MSM is agenda driven. If that's your only source of information, you're going to end up being sorely misinformed. I suspect any source that doesn't agree with your views is labeled 'far right'.

BTW, latest info from Britain:

Data show that only about 25% of deaths in Britain are among the unvaccinated - and that vaccinated people over 40 are actually MORE likely to get Covid than the unvaccinated.

This, from an unbiased source.

No, I did not listen to the podcast.

Britain vaccinated many of their citizens with AZ vaccine. I don't know the efficacy of that vaccine vs the mRNA vaccines that are prominent on our country. Britain also did not adhere to the manufacturer's recommendation for the interval of administering the vaccines. Britain decided to vaccinate as many people as possible with the first shot and had their citizens wait much longer for their second shot. Also.....Britain used mixed vaccines for their citizens. They were told to take which ever vaccine was available at the time, even if it were different manufacturers.

Comparing Britain with the US is like comparing apples to oranges, IMHO.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

No, I did not listen to the podcast.

Britain vaccinated many of their citizens with AZ vaccine. I don't know the efficacy of that vaccine vs the mRNA vaccines that are prominent on our country. Britain also did not adhere to the manufacturer's recommendation for the interval of administering the vaccines. Britain decided to vaccinate as many people as possible with the first shot and had their citizens wait much longer for their second shot. Also.....Britain used mixed vaccines for their citizens. They were told to take which ever vaccine was available at the time, even if it were different manufacturers.

Comparing Britain with the US is like comparing apples to oranges, IMHO.

That is where all the valid info is coming from...UK and Israel.The only countries with honest data...US has been tell fibs and too many are buying it....

[drducat]

Originally Posted by drducat

That is where all the valid info is coming from...UK and Israel.The only countries with honest data...US has been tell fibs and too many are buying it....

Wow watch this.....

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Originally Posted by SkBlogW

Between April 4 and June 19, before Delta’s rise, fully vaccinated people accounted for 5 percent of cases, 7 percent of hospitalizations and 8 percent of deaths. Those figures roughly doubled between June 20 to July 17 as the variant spread. Fully vaccinated individuals accounted for 18 percent of cases, 14 percent of hospitalizations and 16 percent of deaths.

New CDC studies show waning vaccine effectiveness against hospitalization in elderly

So cases doubled in a month, as delta began its surge

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So two months ago CDC reported fully vaccinated individuals accounted for 18 percent of cases, 14 percent of hospitalizations and 16 percent of deaths

Take a look at the graph and estimate the percentages of breakthough cases, hospitalizations, and deaths in fully vaccinated people as delta surged from July 17 until present.

Vaccine passports anyone?

I consider the CDC less than 50% effective in providing accurate statistics.

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by Jeff Coats

Indeed! We have been lied to from the beginning of this plandemic. Who really believes the numbers we are hearing are accurate? If from the very beginning anyone truly takes the time to study the numbers and put everything in perspective you can easily see the numbers do not add up! We are being manipulated is a very despicable way in order to sow extreme divisions amongst us. It is Critical Theory in practice again. Those who have studied history can understand how this has worked out in the past.

If you want the jab, get it. If you don’t want it, don’t get it. Just leave your neighbor be and let them live of die as they wish. In other words Don’t Tread on Me.

Finally, unless YOU have counted the people, protocols followed, treatments received and compiled the data yourselves, please do not believe ANYONE who quotes you numbers. Especially 3 letter groups under national or NGO authority. Unless of course you do not mind leading people astray and being the indirect result of there demise.

And here we have another individual who is able to think for himself. Unfortunately, there are not that many of us. GREAT POST!.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by Jeff Coats View Post
Indeed! We have been lied to from the beginning of this plandemic. Who really believes the numbers we are hearing are accurate? If from the very beginning anyone truly takes the time to study the numbers and put everything in perspective you can easily see the numbers do not add up! We are being manipulated is a very despicable way in order to sow extreme divisions amongst us. It is Critical Theory in practice again. Those who have studied history can understand how this has worked out in the past.

If you want the jab, get it. If you don’t want it, don’t get it. Just leave your neighbor be and let them live of die as they wish. In other words Don’t Tread on Me.

Finally, unless YOU have counted the people, protocols followed, treatments received and compiled the data yourselves, please do not believe ANYONE who quotes you numbers. Especially 3 letter groups under national or NGO authority. Unless of course you do not mind leading people astray and being the indirect result of there demise.

Originally Posted by jswirs

And here we have another individual who is able to think for himself. Unfortunately, there are not that many of us. GREAT POST!.

To think this is happening is outlandish.....

FDA ‘playing bait and switch’ with Americans, tricking them into believing shots currently being offered have been granted full approval when they have not – LeoHohmann.com

[Bay Kid]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

England has today officially dumped Vaccine Passports.
To much trouble, and cost to introduce.
Scotland is still going ahead with them.

Maybe we should use a vaccine passport in place of voter id?

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by drducat

Wow watch this.....

This is a huge WOW. As I have been saying, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. And...The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior!

[Malsua]

Originally Posted by drducat

Wow watch this.....

Two things jump out at me from that video.

1. The entire vaccine effort and scare mongering were based on ONE case and fatality. There were "media reports" of other cases. No verification, no anything, just a mass vaccination based on ONE CASE FATALITY.

2. You could sue the federal government if harmed. There were no blanket waivers of liability on that one. Boy did "they" learn their lesson.


I guess there is one lesson here. Unless you hear it from a celebrity's mouth, don't believe it.

Another lesson, if you are mandated to get a shot, insist on Comirnaty. Generic Pfiser BNT162b2 is only approved under EUA and you assume all liability when taking it.

I got the Moderna shot, it's been seemingly more effective, lets hope that trend continues. Two potential reasons for this are the time between shots and the amount of active MRNA. Based on the UK experience, stretching out the window between shots may improve efficacy, so maybe skip a week or two between if you're getting a Comirnaty.

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by Malsua

Two things jump out at me from that video.

1. The entire vaccine effort and scare mongering were based on ONE case and fatality. There were "media reports" of other cases. No verification, no anything, just a mass vaccination based on ONE CASE FATALITY.

2. You could sue the federal government if harmed. There were no blanket waivers of liability on that one. Boy did "they" learn their lesson.


I guess there is one lesson here. Unless you hear it from a celebrity's mouth, don't believe it.

Another lesson, if you are mandated to get a shot, insist on Comirnaty. Generic Pfiser BNT162b2 is only approved under EUA and you assume all liability when taking it.

I got the Moderna shot, it's been seemingly more effective, lets hope that trend continues. Two potential reasons for this are the time between shots and the amount of active MRNA. Based on the UK experience, stretching out the window between shots may improve efficacy, so maybe skip a week or two between if you're getting a Comirnaty.

So, what is highlighted above is one of your lessons? I take that is sarcasm on your part?
I get no lessons from the video, because it's nothing more than what I have experienced, seen, lived, for many decades. However, it may be worthwhile ammunition against the current "mandate".

[Byte1]

Just a thought:
How many HEALTHY people are dying from Covid?
If healthy people are not dying from Covid, and a vaccination does NOT keep healthy people from being infected, then is it REALLY important that healthy folks get vaccinated?
Do healthy children really NEED to be vaccinated for Covid at this time? Perhaps more research and testing should be conducted?
Do healthy folks need a booster shot if it does not keep them from becoming infected and when infected they do not need to worry about dying from Covid?
Just some thoughts, that sets aside the hysteria and panic and just asks some basic questions.
Like I have said before, I have had my shots. Do I intend on getting a booster? I am healthy, no medications, and just vitamins. So, my debate with myself is the pros and cons of getting the booster. If it is not necessary, then why subject the body with a foreign substance that may or may not have long term effects? Since I am in my twilight years, does any long term effects even matter?
Do manipulated stats really mean anything to me? Does anyone else's safety mean anything to me, other than my family and close friends? Do I wish to take responsibility for other folks safety when there is no proof that I would have any effect regardless of what I do?
Mandated masks that have very little effect.
Mandated vaccinations that may not even protect you.
Shut down services
Destroy the economy
Delay children's education for years
Delay important surgeries

Evil is having a great time and celebrating the world's panic.

[Malsua]

Originally Posted by jswirs

So, what is highlighted above is one of your lessons? I take that is sarcasm on your part?
I get no lessons from the video, because it's nothing more than what I have experienced, seen, lived, for many decades. However, it may be worthwhile ammunition against the current "mandate".

Sorry, left off a

Yes, basically if the media presents it as important, it's probably trying to manipulate you one way or another.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by glsatterlee

COVID-19 Survivors Have Broad, Longer-Term Immunity

Besides the study out of Israel, there is another source out of Cell Reports Medicine: DEFINE_ME

Research lead Dr. is out of Emory University. Rafi Ahmed, director of the Emory University Vaccine Center and a lead author of the paper.

WooHoo! Yay Me!