Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 2003488)

Little difference in the death rate over the last 5 or so years. No doubt countries are 'cooking the books' for whatever reason when it comes to death rates. Last I looked, China was declaring less the 5000 COVID deaths. Does anyone really think that's accurate.

United States - Historical Death Rate Data
Year Death Rate Growth Rate
2021 8.977 1.090%
2020 8.880 1.120%
2019 8.782 1.120%
2018 8.685 1.220%
2017 8.580 1.240%

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2003458)

This is not news to me. I read about this as at least a couple of weeks ago right after the full FDA approval was given to the Pfizer vaccine. This is not being hidden from the American people and there is no bait and switch going on.

Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2002957)

Health care professor?? LOL With no link we have no idea when he said it and what data he was analyzing. The CDC funded study I linked in OP shows 16% of hospitalizations were fully vaccinated from June 20 to July 17, at start of Delata surge.

Probably percentage is higher now due to delta surge peaking at very high levels, and more time for vaccine efficacy to go lower. Israel reported as high as 40% when they hit peak delta surge.

Follow the science dude!!

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2003464)

The head of the CDC in 1976 was squirming for sure. He was not being transparent at all about the Swine Flu vaccine side effects. Having said that, Guillian Barre Syndrome is a very well known potential side effect of vaccines and has been for years.

The CDC has been very transparent with the possible side effects of these current vaccines for Covid. Guillian Barre Syndrome is also a possible side effect of the Covid vaccines. This is not news to me and this information has been very well publicized.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ccr3.4756

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2003238)

Just a thought:
How many HEALTHY people are dying from Covid?
If healthy people are not dying from Covid, and a vaccination does NOT keep healthy people from being infected, then is it REALLY important that healthy folks get vaccinated?
Do healthy children really NEED to be vaccinated for Covid at this time? Perhaps more research and testing should be conducted?
Do healthy folks need a booster shot if it does not keep them from becoming infected and when infected they do not need to worry about dying from Covid?
Just some thoughts, that sets aside the hysteria and panic and just asks some basic questions.
Like I have said before, I have had my shots. Do I intend on getting a booster? I am healthy, no medications, and just vitamins. So, my debate with myself is the pros and cons of getting the booster. If it is not necessary, then why subject the body with a foreign substance that may or may not have long term effects? Since I am in my twilight years, does any long term effects even matter?
Do manipulated stats really mean anything to me? Does anyone else's safety mean anything to me, other than my family and close friends? Do I wish to take responsibility for other folks safety when there is no proof that I would have any effect regardless of what I do?
Mandated masks that have very little effect.
Mandated vaccinations that may not even protect you.
Shut down services
Destroy the economy
Delay children's education for years
Delay important surgeries

Evil is having a great time and celebrating the world's panic.

Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2003451)

It appears our scientists disagree with you. But don't feel bad, there is a bombastic individual here that says Israel data doesn't matter because "geography" and "diversity" :shocked:

JERUSALEM, Sept 5 (Reuters) - Israel this month will present data from an extensive rollout of COVID-19 vaccine booster shots to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, which is weighing White House plans to begin a booster drive in the United States.

Sharon Alroy-Preis, head of public health at Israel's Health Ministry, said the ministry had been asked by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to brief its advisors at a Sept. 17 meeting.

Israel to present COVID-19 booster shot data to FDA experts | Reuters

Israeli data on Covid-19 vaccine boosters to publish in prominent medical journal ahead of key FDA committee meeting next week

Israeli data on Covid-19 vaccine boosters to publish in prominent medical journal ahead of key FDA committee meeting next week - CNN

NIH director says new Israeli Covid data is building case for booster shots in the U.S.

Covid vaccine booster shots: NIH director says new Israel data is building case in the U.S.

Fauci: ‘Dramatic Data’ From Israel Support COVID-19 Boosters

Fauci: 'Dramatic Data' From Israel Support COVID-19 Boosters - Chronicles Health

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2003447)

Their data is honest for Britain but can not be used as a comparison for the US. As I already said......apples and oranges.

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 2003479)

Our dog has stuck his nose many places it shouldn't be, yet continues to be virus-resistant.:icon_wink:

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 2003479)

Our dog has stuck his nose many places it shouldn't be, yet continues to be virus-resistant.:icon_wink:

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2003469)

This isn't true. It's not a "side effect" of the virus. The cause of Guillian-Barre syndrome is still not known. It is believed (but not confirmed) that it MIGHT be TRIGGERED by having COVID-19, and possibly by the J&J vaccine as well.

It is also believed that it MIGHT be triggered by eating uncooked or undercooked poultry that has the campylobactor bacteria in it, Zika, Hepatitis (A, B, C, and E), CMV, recent surgery, respiratory or digestive tract infection, and ventilation, and a list of other possible triggers.

In fact, the vaccine AND Covid-19 are both considered RARE possible triggers, compared with all of the other possible triggers. Eating undercooked poultry is the most common trigger.

Lastly, Guillian-Barre syndrome is, in and of itself, a rare disorder. It's not likely that anyone would ever have it in the first place. And for those rare few who do, it is USUALLY triggered by something OTHER than the J&J vaccine or being sick with COVID-19.

Here's my source for this information:

Guillain-Barre syndrome - Symptoms and causes - Mayo Clinic



You can check the Mayo Clinic website on Guillain-Barre syndrome,

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2003522)

Britain and Israel have Universal Health Care. They ARE real countries that CARE about their population - in contrast to the US, which is neanderthal-like and exists in the dark ages with respect to Public Healthcare.

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2003505)

That is not correct...Pfizer is emergency use approved only...read the FDA paper and not msnbc or cnn...etc.

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2003529)

You should see our waiting lists for treatments since the pandemic started!
I paid privately to have my knee replaced, as I could not wait for a year or more for surgery.
No system has the perfect answer.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2003533)

Pfizer has received full FDA approval for their formula which is the exact same as the Pfizer vaccine already in use but under a different brand name. This is being reported on MSM. There has been full transparency about the differences.