[meme5x]

Not to stir the pot, but question why it’s OK for blacks to continually keep killing each other... also when police question someone, black or white, resistant shouldn’t be an option when a crime has been committed. Most publicized cases have been noted that a crime was committed... should they just go unnoticed?

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by blueash

I know about Timpa, you have mentioned his case many many times. For those that don't know, in Texas about 5 years ago the cops were called by the victim himself asking for help. They arrived to a situation where a severely disturbed schizophrenic white man was encountered. He was already cuffed and prone on the grass by store security. The cops restrained him on the ground for several minutes mocking him and making jokes about his mental illness of which they were very aware. He stopped breathing and died, with cocaine in his system.

The cops were indicted by the grand jury but the local prosecutor refused to go to trial when the coroner refused to state that the cause of death was the police action. Maybe this is one example you can continue to cite, but it is not the same, and has nothing to do with OJ. I will concede that in the chart of persons that cops are likely to abuse people with severe mental health problems are right up there with Black people. This is why there is a push by many to have some police actions be taken over by mental health experts with cops only as back up. If a social worker had been dispatched to Mr Timba he would almost certainly be alive.

And the only reason you know about Tony Timpa is because I have cited his case. But you would have to be living under a rock not to have heard about Floyd. The difference - is black & white...

[gatorbill1]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Somehow you think this will stop crime???

My meaning was even police are responsible for their actions. No one is above law

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Gmaf6

And I’m sure Tony’s family didn’t get $27 million

The lawsuit was dismissed on a very controversial decision on a IMO terrible legal basis of qualified immunity. And the situation is different. In Floyd's case the government admitted that its cop killed the victim thus it was at fault for the death. In Tony's case the government is not accepting legal responsibility for his death and declined to prosecute the cops.

[BlackhawksFan]

Originally Posted by George Page

No! “Those people” took action against their oppressor not their neighbors and local merchants.
Try again.

You don't think Black people see the White establishment as their oppressors?

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by blueash

Fox News must be hitting hard on the jury being a bunch of weak willed people who were so intimidated by potential riots that they totally ignored the oath they took when they were sworn in, that they ignored all the evidence that Chauvin was really innocent, that they by a 12 to 0 vote in just a few hours unanimously agreed to falsely convict him without even one true patriot holding out for a hung jury. Every juror was interviewed before being allowed to sit for this trial. There were eight whites on the jury, all 8 of which agreed with the jury verdicts on all three charges.

Yet on this very website we have people spouting nonsense about how Chauvin was innocent. What convicted Chauvin was his own brutality, his murder of G. Floyd, and most importantly that he was video taped doing it. No opportunity to lie his way out of it. The earlier post calling Black people animals has now been removed. But racism is huge on this website and in this country. If you don't believe that cops just might let Whites get away with ignoring their orders, and threatening to kill the cop, and picking up a gun sitting on the car seat and fleeing all without being tased or shot

You suspect and know in your heart this would have gone differently if that driver were Black.

"The earlier post calling Black people animals has now been removed. But racism is huge on this website and in this country."

I have mixed feelings on that removed post. While I applaud management for addressing such a racist statement, I also believe that if it had stood, more people might have gained a clue as to how so many claimed law enforcement officers - actually think.

As to whether this case may make LEO's pause and examine their own prejudices and bias' before taking action in the future, in the long run that will be a good thing IMHO.

Let's also not lose sight of the fact that the sentencing hasn't occurred yet, however. Did the judge tip his own bias, when he commented on Water's statement? We'll soon see if complete justice will happen.

[DALEPQ]

There is no doubt that this was trial by media, who were not in the Jury Box.
Not defending the Cop, but the media held him guilty from the start.
Floyd didn't need to die, but he was no 'Choir Boy' that is being put on forth as a hero.
He was a criminal, and broke the law many times.
His family so far has gotten $27 Mil. in a payment from MSP. and over $20 Mil. in go-fund-me.
Like it or not the Media is destroying democracy by dictating what they want to report,
not what the actual facts are.
This is not political, just the reality of what is taking place.

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by gatorbill1

My meaning was even police are responsible for their actions. No one is above law

I agree that no one should be above the law. History has shown however, that's not really the case.

[kenoc7]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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With the speed of the jury verdict - Chauvin will be found guilty of some, if not all charges. Not saying right or wrong at all.

BUT with the jury NOT sequestered for the 3 weeks, with all the local MN publicity and "commotion" and ESPECIALLY the public "commentary" by political leaders... Definite Appeal material for defense. Said directly from the Judge after the jury left the courtroom after the Closing>

"I wish elected officials would stop talking about this case, especially in a manner that is disrespectful to the rule of law and to the judicial branch and our function," Cahill added later. "I think if they want to give their opinions, they should do so in a respectful and in a manner that is consistent with their oath to the Constitution, to respect a coequal branch of government."
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Of course, it was the right decision = 9.29 minute video. Everrything else is irrelevant, appropriate or not, jury sequestered or not.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by meme5x

Not to stir the pot, but question why it’s OK for blacks to continually keep killing each other... also when police question someone, black or white, resistant shouldn’t be an option when a crime has been committed. Most publicized cases have been noted that a crime was committed... should they just go unnoticed?

No one ever in this history of race relations ever said it's "OK for blacks to kill each other. " Well, I'm wrong. I have heard racists say it is great that they kill each other.

No one has every said that cops should not do their job to protect and serve. The issue is whether the cops do it wrong, and for the wrong reasons. You certainly have never heard of cops planting drugs, or even dropping a gun at a scene These are both well known techniques. And cops certainly always tell the truth about what happened in their reports and on the stand. Have you heard the term "testilying"

Cameras are now documenting what POC have been saying. Read this story of cops being brutal and lying about it, of course regarding a Black man

Cops are not paragons of virtue, nor is that true of any field. There are great cops, ok cops, and sadly terrible cops, racist cops, abusive cops, power hungry cops, etc. And the good ones certainly outnumber the bad ones.

What happens when a cop complains up the chain that one of the other cops is a bad cop? Do you honestly believe that making a complaint like that is good for the complaining cop? Does the police union protect bad cops?

If the Black experience in this country is that they are targeted by cops, I believe them. Every study has shown there are more stops of Blacks while driving. Marijuana arrests are overwhelming higher in Black people than white even though whites use at a higher rate than Blacks. Selective policing at its worst. That a Black man stopped by a cop is in fear that he is not going to be treated fairly is based on reality. When reaching for your ID as ordered by the cop gets you killed as the cop says he thought you were reaching for a gun and the cop gets away with it, you might fear for your life in a routine traffic stop for a broken tail light.

The problem with the few bad apples in the barrel is that it spoils the whole barrel.

Are there justified shootings, of course. One in Columbus Ohio yesterday. Amazingly the police released the video within a couple hours of the shooting. Proves it can be done, release video right away when it shows the cop was justified. Makes me wonder about those cases where it takes months to get the video released.

Chauvin is a bad apple. His rot is going to take down a couple more cops who had the misfortune to be assigned with him and who were afraid to do what they should have done.. stopped a murder, because they knew what was expected of a rookie cop, defend the blue line. Wrong, they should have defended the public and the life of George Floyd.

[Sherry8bal]

Originally Posted by blueash

back to the OP's original posting. Every conviction is appealed. I have no idea what STRONGLY appealed means. Unless there was an error of law by the judge or some sort of demonstrable jury tampering this conviction will stand. That the jury decided so quickly suggests that the prosecution had a very strong case and presented it well.

The jury decides the facts. They heard lots of facts including every negative thing that could be said about Floyd, his past behavior with arrests, his drug use etc. Despite that the jury correctly found that Chauvin killed him. The jury never heard about Chauvin's past history of excess force or the IRS case against him. So he got every benefit of the doubt, as is our system of law. Chauvin going to jail for 12 1/2 will not bring back Floyd and you know he is not going into a general population of prisoners.

Maybe, just maybe, one life will be saved by this conviction now that cops know some juries will hold them responsible.

My feeling is that it will be appealed because there was no way he could get a fair trial by not moving the trial OUT of the city. Can you imagine being on that jury knowing that sooner or later your name is going to be released to the public and that everyone will know where you live. If you would give any kind of a not guilty verdict, you and your home would be burned to the ground and you would feel the wrath of a group of people who expect to continually get their way when one of them gets killed. They don't take into account that the guy was trying to pass a fake $20 bill, that he was drunk and high on drugs and driving, that he was resisting arrest and he had a mile long record of crimes and prison time. Granted that doesn't make Floyd automatically guilty but pas behavior is a sign of future behavior - normally.

If people who have criminal backgrounds would quit resisting the police, we wouldn't be having these problems, regardless of their skin color. Why don't the black people get outraged when they kill their own? More white people are killed by police than black people. That's a fact but where is the outrage?

[allsport]

The judge was out of line and prejudicial.

[allsport]

The percent of blacks abused and killed by police is much higher than the percent of whites. Passing a counterfeit 20 does not deserve guns pulled and an execution. Policing today is equivalent to treating the citizens like enemy combatants instead helping a variety of people with multidimensional problems. You give some cops a gun and they have to show how big they are. I have law enforcement in my family and they are disgusted with the police of today. I cared for the mentally ill and drug abusers for decades and putting them in jail or under a knee until they die is not the way to do it. EVERYONE has a right to question why the cops are arresting them and every black and brown person in this country has a right to fear going anywhere with the police.

[stebooo]

Everything you said is accurate but there's one thing to miss. Not once during this trial as much as I watched it was there a single mention of race involved. As it should be chauvin didn't kill this guy because he was black I was never brought up it was never talked about it was never witnessed. But now that's all it is is this the race war is one it's not this we still have an issue not near to the extent that people say it is but there still is a race issue in this country that needs to be dealt with it's not systemic racist but it's there Sooner or later we have to start dealing with the fact that we're not building tribes here thank you Al sharpton, it's not black against white It should never be that

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by blueash

No one ever in this history of race relations ever said it's "OK for blacks to kill each other. " Well, I'm wrong. I have heard racists say it is great that they kill each other.

No one has every said that cops should not do their job to protect and serve. The issue is whether the cops do it wrong, and for the wrong reasons. You certainly have never heard of cops planting drugs, or even dropping a gun at a scene These are both well known techniques. And cops certainly always tell the truth about what happened in their reports and on the stand. Have you heard the term "testilying"

Cameras are now documenting what POC have been saying. Read this story of cops being brutal and lying about it, of course regarding a Black man

Cops are not paragons of virtue, nor is that true of any field. There are great cops, ok cops, and sadly terrible cops, racist cops, abusive cops, power hungry cops, etc. And the good ones certainly outnumber the bad ones.

What happens when a cop complains up the chain that one of the other cops is a bad cop? Do you honestly believe that making a complaint like that is good for the complaining cop? Does the police union protect bad cops?

If the Black experience in this country is that they are targeted by cops, I believe them. Every study has shown there are more stops of Blacks while driving. Marijuana arrests are overwhelming higher in Black people than white even though whites use at a higher rate than Blacks. Selective policing at its worst. That a Black man stopped by a cop is in fear that he is not going to be treated fairly is based on reality. When reaching for your ID as ordered by the cop gets you killed as the cop says he thought you were reaching for a gun and the cop gets away with it, you might fear for your life in a routine traffic stop for a broken tail light.

The problem with the few bad apples in the barrel is that it spoils the whole barrel.

Are there justified shootings, of course. One in Columbus Ohio yesterday. Amazingly the police released the video within a couple hours of the shooting. Proves it can be done, release video right away when it shows the cop was justified. Makes me wonder about those cases where it takes months to get the video released.

Chauvin is a bad apple. His rot is going to take down a couple more cops who had the misfortune to be assigned with him and who were afraid to do what they should have done.. stopped a murder, because they knew what was expected of a rookie cop, defend the blue line. Wrong, they should have defended the public and the life of George Floyd.

Yep, body cams are good:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wpde.co...hows-otherwise