[Byte1]

"The most widespread and socially significant form of same-sex sexual relations in ancient Greece amongst elite circles was between adult men and pubescent or adolescent boys, known as pederasty"

"Pederasty or paederasty is a sexual relationship between an adult man and a boy. "

I guess the next phase will be justifying this abnormal behavior using "ancient Greece" as our standard? After all, we are speaking of children being exposed to abnormal sexual confusion, are we not? At least, that is what the post above seems to allude to.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

You must have me confused with someone else, this has nothing to do with my post

No. A lot of love affairs having nothing to do with reproduction. Especially those involving lovers of the same sex. Thus, homosexuality in Ancient Greece or many other places.

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

You should research homosexuality in Ancient Greece. It was the norm. And cross dressing is found in many cultures and not seen as aberrant.

So was gladiator fighting and persecutions should we tell kindergarteners that’s ok too? I have no problem with LGBTQ persons. I have a problem with them shoving it in my face and wanting to discuss it in school. Why should we have respect for them when they have no respect for us?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

No. A lot of love affairs having nothing to do with reproduction. Especially those involving lovers of the same sex. Thus, homosexuality in Ancient Greece or many other places.

You keep ignoring the Man/Boy aspect of ancient Greece homosexuality, which was the rule, not the exception...

Are you in favor of that? A simple yes or no will suffice...

[jimbomaybe]

[QUOTE=Taltarzac725;2221809]No. A lot of love affairs having nothing to do with reproduction. Especially those involving lovers of the same sex. Thus, homosexuality in Ancient Greece or many other places.[/QUOT

As for ancient Greece women were not considered full citizens, pretty much property, slavery was never thought of as anything but natural

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

So was gladiator fighting and persecutions should we tell kindergarteners that’s ok too? I have no problem with LGBTQ persons. I have a problem with them shoving it in my face and wanting to discuss it in school. Why should we have respect for them when they have no respect for us?

Does not follow unless you get political. All kinds of people are gay/lesbian. People of every faith and political view.

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Does not follow unless you get political. All kinds of people are gay/lesbian. People of every faith and political view.

Yes but they don’t all aggressively flaunt it and demand special attention. They live like normal human beings and are accepted as such. I have several friends who are gay and they behave no differently than my straight friends.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

Yes but they don’t all aggressively flaunt it and demand special attention. They live like normal human beings and are accepted as such. I have several friends who are gay and they behave no differently than my straight friends.

Unless you go to a gay bar or gay/lesbian parade you will find very few people flaunting it. Pretty much no where in the Villages that I have seen.

What is the big deal with clothes for gay/lesbian people being sold by Target or whatever store? Or beer sellers supporting gay/lesbian rights.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

As for ancient Greece women were not considered full citizens, pretty much property, slavery was never thought of as anything but natural

It is called progress. Better treatment of more people and the end of slavery in its various forms. And no gladiator contests fought by slaves.

Progress should involve fair treatment of gays/lesbians. Which includes them being able to buy clothes designed and marketed for them.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

You should research homosexuality in Ancient Greece. It was the norm. And cross dressing is found in many cultures and not seen as aberrant.

Homosexuality in Ancient Greece?

Not so much between males similar in age, although as mentioned in prior posts pederasty was common. I do not think most Target customers would approve of that!

"According to the opinion of the classicist Kenneth Dover who published Greek Homosexuality in 1978, given the importance in Greek society of cultivating the masculinity of the adult male and the perceived feminizing effect of being the passive partner, relations between adult men of comparable social status were considered highly problematic, and usually associated with social stigma.[20] This stigma, however, was reserved for only the passive partner in the relationship."

Homosexuality in ancient Greece - Wikipedia.

[Caymus]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Homosexuality in Ancient Greece?

Not so much between males similar in age, although as mentioned in prior post pederasty was common. I do not think most Target customers would approve of that!

Homosexuality in ancient Greece - Wikipedia.

It appears that it only matters what Target's management thinks.

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Unless you go to a gay bar or gay/lesbian parade you will find very few people flaunting it. Pretty much no where in the Villages that I have seen.

What is the big deal with clothes for gay/lesbian people being sold by Target or whatever store? Or beer sellers supporting gay/lesbian rights.

That falls under flaunting and demanding special treatment.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

That falls under flaunting and demanding special treatment.

Hardly.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

No. A lot of love affairs having nothing to do with reproduction. Especially those involving lovers of the same sex. Thus, homosexuality in Ancient Greece or many other places.

The REASON for those feeling are to foster reproduction as are the genetical imposed differences between male and female

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

You keep ignoring the Man/Boy aspect of ancient Greece homosexuality, which was the rule, not the exception...

Are you in favor of that? A simple yes or no will suffice...

What are the odds of getting a yes/no. Not good I think.