[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by davem4616

until the underlying systemic issues are addressed this will never end

Agreed but to stand by and let businesses be destroyed by hoodlums is not helping anything.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov

Agreed but to stand by and let businesses be destroyed by hoodlums is not helping anything.

Some of the destruction wasn't hoodlums. It was organized, partly by outsiders with inside connections. Such as the "auto zone umbrella man" with the gas mask - his identity hasn't been confirmed (though some OTHER organized outsiders are intentionally creating suspicion about one particular person), but he was not recognized by people in the area.

There are also accusations that it is the black community exclusively involved in the looting and destruction. It isn't. There are absolutely confirmed Antifa folks - who were asked BY the black community to stay out of it, and they refused to stay out of it.

There are also white supremacists involved doing it on purpose to ensure that the black community gets blamed for it.

And yes there are also folks in the black community doing this.

You attack a segment of the population, then encourage that segment to fight back and even HELP them be violent - and you're going to end up with violence. No matter who is the segment being attacked.

Kent State, the destruction of Black Wall Street, the rioting in Charlotte, NC, the lynchings in Alabama - all spurred by people who encouraged other people to lash out against their enemy, whether real or merely perceived. The ones who goaded the rioters and looters to riot and loot - the ones who KNEW that a group of people were angry and upset and on the edge - and then tipped them over the edge on purpose into violence.

THOSE are the people who have started all the looting and destruction in Minneapolis.

You don't p*s* people off, and then hand them a lit match. But that's exactly what is happening now.

[retiredguy123]

A hoodlum is "a person who engages in crime and violence".

They sure look like hoodlums to me.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Some of the destruction wasn't hoodlums. It was organized, partly by outsiders with inside connections. Such as the "auto zone umbrella man" with the gas mask - his identity hasn't been confirmed (though some OTHER organized outsiders are intentionally creating suspicion about one particular person), but he was not recognized by people in the area.

There are also accusations that it is the black community exclusively involved in the looting and destruction. It isn't. There are absolutely confirmed Antifa folks - who were asked BY the black community to stay out of it, and they refused to stay out of it.

There are also white supremacists involved doing it on purpose to ensure that the black community gets blamed for it.

And yes there are also folks in the black community doing this.

You attack a segment of the population, then encourage that segment to fight back and even HELP them be violent - and you're going to end up with violence. No matter who is the segment being attacked.

Kent State, the destruction of Black Wall Street, the rioting in Charlotte, NC, the lynchings in Alabama - all spurred by people who encouraged other people to lash out against their enemy, whether real or merely perceived. The ones who goaded the rioters and looters to riot and loot - the ones who KNEW that a group of people were angry and upset and on the edge - and then tipped them over the edge on purpose into violence.

THOSE are the people who have started all the looting and destruction in Minneapolis.

You don't p*s* people off, and then hand them a lit match. But that's exactly what is happening now.

If the police were allowed to do their jobs the looting would not happen. A certain segment of the population as described above have learned that free stuff is their for the taking.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

With all the destruction in Minneapolis we are looking like a 3rd world country. 2 wrongs don't make a right. Stealing and destroying someone's business is not protesting.

The same Government process has been in effect for the last 20 years or so. When a racial event occurs, people are allowed to destroy property and steal whatever they want for about 2 or 3 days. Then, enough is enough, and the Government applies force to stop it. This process will continue in the future until the Government decides to change the process. And any statements by Government officials that looters will be arrested and prosecuted are universally viewed as lies because they are lies and people know it.

[ColdNoMore]

Those of you who would rather focus on the fires/looting, instead of what has brought people to the point where they feel they are at the end of their rope, have nothing to lose, because no one cares how the African-American community has been constantly mistreated and abused...YOU are also to blame.

If you just stand on the sidelines and refuse to recognize and to become active and support true equality, you are no different than those German citizens...who just stood by while Hitler rounded up Jews/critics/gays/Etc.

If you're one of those keeping your mouth shut and purposely confusing 'Nationalism' (which is simply code for "white nationalism") with 'Patriotism,' when blacks are on the front lines serving you and dying at a horrendous % rate compared to other demographics, just so you can hide in your house during this virus crisis...you also carry part of the blame.

I guarantee, if it were old white people suffering what is constantly happening to young black men and were treated from black policemen the way so many black men are treated from so many white policemen, millions of you would be screeching about the horror and injustice...and a certain % would be running around with their assault rifles screaming "give me my liberty back."

This morning, a FULLY credentialed news team who was doing absolutely nothing wrong, other than the on-air reporter being black...was arrested while reporting.

You can claim all you want about how you're not racist or a bigot, but if you refuse to become involved to right these wrongs...you forfeit that claim.

MLK referred to it as "the silence of good white people."

Are YOU one of those people?

Would you be fine with it, if the tables were turned...180 degrees?



Repeat this 100 times...until it actually sinks in:


“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke

[retiredguy123]

I would like to know how Al Sharpton is helping.

[Marvic 1]

Sorry, that was the wrong Pic,
This guy...

[dewilson58]

Saw the state police standing in line creating a safety perimeter for the firefighters........protesters standing & yelling in their faces. What's the point?? Wish I could hear what "she" was yelling. Oh wait, glad I can't hear it.


Not helping any effort.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by John_W

These type events make living in TV so much nicer and probably helps many to decide to move here. I know I couldn't wait to leave the Baltimore area, I still like the sports teams and maybe visit, although it's been since 2013 since my last visit.

I lived in a probably one of the best suburbs in Baltimore, it was Bel Air, and in 2016 two cops were ambushed and killed inside a Panera's next to Wegmans a 1/2 mile from my old house.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...11b_story.html

I usually try to avoid seeing or reading about these events, there's really nothing we can do about it. I even hate when I see someone start a thread like "Forget About Getting Fired", what good did that do, other than rile up a few people who live 1500 miles away. I wish those threads were never allowed. It's always the same posters, they stay quiet until something bad happens in the country and they quick to jump on the topic and post their views like they're know-it-alls. I wish that thread was closed right now,

I saw riots in Baltimore up close and personal when I was in the Maryland Army National Guard and was called to active duty for the Baltimore riot in the late 1960s. Nothing much about who participates and what happens seems to have changed. Most of these rioters are there to steal, commit arson and other crimes as they know they will get away with it. Many have criminal histories or are undesirables in various other ways. These riots are organized by small but high profile vocal extremist groups and tolerated by society. What a shame!

[Stu from NYC]

and btw the police officer has been arrested. Hopefully we can now let the criminal justice system do its job

[Stu from NYC]

Do not understand why anyone takes anything Al Sharpton says seriously. He should be in prison for tax evasion.

Former NYers during the Tawana Brawley case and all Sharpton did was inflame the black community every chance he had. When it turned out she lied about the whole thing he just disappeared.

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by timinthevillages

I did not do any research so this is only an observation. But it is interesting that when police are involved I read alot about how we should not judge and we dont know what happen before the incident. But some seem to judge rather quickly on police less matters. Like I said I didn't take the time to research so maybe people that wait to react wait on both sides and others rush to judgement on both sides. I just hope some are not blindly protecting some and blindly attacking others. Just my two cents.

Nothing justifies rioting. Nothing. This is no protest.

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Those of you who would rather focus on the fires/looting, instead of what has brought people to the point where they feel they are at the end of their rope, have nothing to lose, because no one cares how the African-American community has been constantly mistreated and abused...YOU are also to blame.

If you just stand on the sidelines and refuse to recognize and to become active and support true equality, you are no different than those German citizens...who just stood by while Hitler rounded up Jews/critics/gays/Etc.

If you're one of those keeping your mouth shut and purposely confusing 'Nationalism' (which is simply code for "white nationalism") with 'Patriotism,' when blacks are on the front lines serving you and dying at a horrendous % rate compared to other demographics, just so you can hide in your house during this virus crisis...you also carry part of the blame.

I guarantee, if it were old white people suffering what is constantly happening to young black men and were treated from black policemen the way so many black men are treated from so many white policemen, millions of you would be screeching about the horror and injustice...and a certain % would be running around with their assault rifles screaming "give me my liberty back."

This morning, a FULLY credentialed news team who was doing absolutely nothing wrong, other than the on-air reporter being black...was arrested while reporting.

You can claim all you want about how you're not racist or a bigot, but if you refuse to become involved to right these wrongs...you forfeit that claim.

MLK referred to it as "the silence of good white people."

Are YOU one of those people?

Would you be fine with it, if the tables were turned...180 degrees?



Repeat this 100 times...until it actually sinks in:


“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke

The rioting must be stopped. Period. By force if necessary.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

The same Government process has been in effect for the last 20 years or so. When a racial event occurs, people are allowed to destroy property and steal whatever they want for about 2 or 3 days. Then, enough is enough, and the Government applies force to stop it. This process will continue in the future until the Government decides to change the process. And any statements by Government officials that looters will be arrested and prosecuted are universally viewed as lies because they are lies and people know it.

In that case I would suggest calling out the national guard with shoot to kill orders. Ends looting in a hurry