[Joe C.]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

Let's be reasonable, as a gun owner I am not advocating the banning of guns, but there are some firearms that do not belong in a civil society. AR 15s and weapons of that type were designed to kill people. Not for hunting and not for home or self-protection. Here is a weapon that even in a novice's hands can fire 30 rounds per minute. It has a range of about two football fields and has the power to crush bone and vaporize organs. I'm not saying you can't own one, but maybe they will have to be confined to an official gun range. Where you can own or rent one for the day. I like roller coasters, but for practical reasons I've decided not to build one in my living room.

All firearms are weapons that are designed to kill, or at least put a hole in something. Whether it's a paper target, animal or human, it doesn't make a difference. You can kill with a blackpowder musket or an AR-15 or a Winchester 94. Oh, BTW, you can kill with a car, too. The problem is the person behind the firearm. Responsibility is key!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

hmm, I don't agree, it means fewer guns in circulation. If a million cities did that (I don't think we have a million cities even if you count towns) it would remove 134 million guns.

Not going to happen, it is just a symbol. But, symbols are good. The Flag is a symbol. It wont stop a bullet, but it is still good to have.

Just gave me an idea - I think that I will start producing kevlar flags. Wrap yourself securely in old glory!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by me4vt

After 9-11 they didn’t ban airplanes they secured the cockpits!

When the #@$%§ eject GOD from everything and insert Worldly ways into everything, this is what “We” get”! Evil in everything🧐

Got to hate those "worldly ways".

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

I suspect that the NRA would gladly agree to make fully automatic firearms, bump stocks, ghost guns, and large capacity magazines illegal if the government in turn would agree to draw the line there. No responsible gun owner besides Military or LEO’s has any functional need for those. The problem is that if the NRA were to give up those first lines of defense, there are those in the government that will endlessly keep trying to chip away at all firearms, including hunting, target practice, and self defense. Gun owners don’t want their hunting firearms to be the next first line of defense in the crosshairs of the government.

The "slippery slope" theory is alive and well., I'll bet that the NRA PR executive that came up with that slogan got a $100,000 bonus!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

This is the U.S. of America, not the United Socialist States of Amerika. We have a Constitution that limits what the gov can do to us. Thank goodness!

Europe, Australia, Japan, and New Zealand are NOT exactly " "commie" counties. They are classified as democracies just like the US.

[Westie Man]

but they were paying $75 each and that was over 10 years ago

[Blackbird45]

I hate to say this, but covid will bare me out. How many anti vaccine advocates did we see who were on their death beds and were telling people, covid was no joke and to get vaccinated.

Unfortunately, many firearm advocates will not come to the table until it directly hits them. If they lose a child or grandchild many will change their view. I hope it doesn't come to that, but that's what it looks like to me.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

All guns are designed to "kill people." The statement "Not for hunting and not for home protection" doesn't make sense, since hunting and self-protection would seem to indicate the ability to kill with the firearm. Have you ever heard of a Mosin Nagant Russian rifle? Invented in the 1800's and you can still purchase them from military surplus. They are a bolt action rifle that was used in combat/war. Very powerful and was also used as a sniper rifle. Many purchase it in America and surely in other countries as a cheap hunting rifle. An M1 Garand is a semiautomatic military surplus weapon that fires powerful bullets loaded by an 8 round clip, not a magazine. You can also get the MIa which has the ability to select fully automatic and uses a 20 round magazine. Is that an assault weapon? Folks purchase these old military weapons for hunting and/or target shooting and competition. Labeling a firearm as being lethal is almost humorous if not so serious. The old guns are more powerful than the newer, smaller cal rifles, but are generally heavier and usually have less ammo capacity.

Millions own firearms, but only one in millions decides to become a mass murderer. One too many? Ok, then concentrate on the one in the millions, not the law abiding millions of good citizen gun owners.

Ever play "wack a mole?" One person attempts to use a mallet to knock down a mole that may pop up at any given time from a choice of many holes. One person is responsible for the mole. Now, give ten people a mallet and tell them to cover an assigned hole or holes and see how that works out.

There has been millions of lives saved by good citizens carrying firearms. A lot more saved than murdered.

I am being a little picky at a detail. But, the 1st statement that all guns are designed to kill people IS NOT perfectly accurate. Obviously, BB guns are GUNS. but they were designed to break glass bottles, hit cans, and maybe kill small birds (hopefully only starlings, which are NOT a native bird) - I digressed, sorry.
.........A 22 rimfire can possibly, in unlikely circumstances, kill a human - but, it was designed to kill small game and varmints (rats and snakes).
...........Anything as powerful or more powerful than a 38 special can be said to have been designed to kill or wound humans. Sorry for the splitting of hairs!

[jimjamuser]

I am being a little picky at a detail. But, the 1st statement that all guns are designed to kill people IS NOT perfectly accurate. Obviously, BB guns are GUNS. but they were designed to break glass bottles, hit cans, and maybe kill small birds (hopefully only starlings, which are NOT a native bird) - I digressed, sorry.
.........A 22 rimfire can possibly, in unlikely circumstances, kill a human - but, it was designed to kill small game and varmints (rats and snakes).
...........Anything as powerful or more powerful than a 38 special can be said to have been designed to kill or wound humans. Sorry for the splitting of hairs!

[nancyre]

Another time the Buy back ran out and the gangs set up shop nearby and purchased the firearms for the same amount. The gangs got a new stockpile.
BTW often with these things they run out of cash or cards. Yonkers NY ran out of funds 3 x and had to schedule another day. Meanwhile folks were transporting these firearms around.

[Monika Greiner]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The "slippery slope" theory is alive and well., I'll bet that the NRA PR executive that came up with that slogan got a $100,000 bonus!

I am going to add my two cents to this conversation. AR-15 stands for Armalite Rifle Model 15. It is not an assault rifle as an assault weapon is capable of firing full automatic (pull and hold the trigger and the weapon will keep firing at a rapid rate until the magazine is empty). I wish the news media knew the difference. I think the closest most of them have been to a firearm is a picture in a magazine. All firearms are designed to kill even pellet guns which are technically not firearms. Most AR-15s are in caliber 223 Remington. In some states it is illegal to hunt deer with a 223 as it is considered to small to humanly kill a deer. You can also get an AR style rifle in 22LR which is basically a squirrel and rabbit gun. Do people hunt with AR RIFLES? Yes! Why! They are light in weight, adjustable to fit different size people very light in recoil. They are used for varmint hunting and in Texas they are used to reduce the population of wild hogs. There are 400 to 500 million guns owned by 100 million or so people in America. One non gun owner ask why you need more than one gun. There are a little more than 25 million active golf players in American and most have 14 clubs in their bag. I have about 36 clubs in my garage not including a couple of dozen clubs belonging to my wife. While a 9 iron can be used to replace a broken PW it does not work very well as a driver. Same thing with guns. For the person who suggested in jest I hope that we go back to killing people the old fashioned way (sticks, rocks, knives, etc) suggest you check the FBI web site and you can see that more people are killed in the US each year with knives, fist, blunt objects than all types of rifles combined. In Europe with all of the immigrants who have arrived the weapons of choice are knives.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

In the days of Washington all men had the same weapons. It was the duty of citizens to take up arms if the government were to try to impose another king. Today that is not the case. You, your neighbor could arm yourselves with all the assault weapons you want but if a tyrant takes over the government you're not going to be able stop it. This is not a Hollywood movies. Assume I am an evil ruler and my general comes into the oval office, interrupts me from watching The Price Is Right, while I'm eating my PB&J.
He informs me that we are meeting resistance in The Village. My instruction would be as follows: send a drone to take out the whole block and if continues flatten The Villages.
Now I know this is totally ridicules, but what I'm trying to get across, if the day ever comes where this country is taken over by a dictators, there are no weapons that can match what the government has stock pilled.

If it WERE ever necessary to fight back against a US tyrannical government, the weapon of CHOICE would be a bolt action sniper rifle that had long-range accuracy up to 1000 yards in a caliber like a 300 Winchester Magnum. A 223 caliber semi-auto AR 15 type rifle is for short-range firefights and would NOT be as useful for snipers. A sniper needs to shoot from long distance and then relocate or hide their rifle against an established tyrannical government.

[thevillages2013]

Originally Posted by kenoc7

I understand that you are a safe, responsible gun owner but why on earth do you need three guns?

Hell, if two of them jamb you better have a backup. Bottom line is it is none of anyone’s business how many guns he or anyone else has that are responsible gun owners. Believe it or not there are people who are not terrified by gun ownership. Very smart people

[Monika Greiner]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

If it WERE ever necessary to fight back against a US tyrannical government, the weapon of CHOICE would be a bolt action sniper rifle that had long-range accuracy up to 1000 yards in a caliber like a 300 Winchester Magnum. A 223 caliber semi-auto AR 15 type rifle is for short-range firefights and would NOT be as useful for snipers. A sniper needs to shoot from long distance and then relocate or hide their rifle against an established tyrannical government.

Totally agree with you! One responded said all guns should be registered with the government. Totally disagree with him! Go on line and you can see translations of Hitler posters that were posted in Germany and countries he invaded saying you had24 hours to turn in your weapons and of course they knew who had weapons as they were registered at the local court house. One thing I think we should consider doing would be to register body armor if you want to buy it much like buying a sound suppresser. If you need body armor as a civilian what are you planning. The last two mass shooters were both wearing body armor.

[thevillages2013]

Give the bought back guns to teachers that want them and allow them to carry them in the schools! BOOM