[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Amazed that this thread is still up with all the partisan sniping. We have one group brow beating the other, insisting that only they are right. We have another group arguing that the first group is wrong and won't listen to "the facts". In the middle are a few voices of reason. Conclusion: This thread is going nowhere fast and at best appears to catharsis for some.

My take is very simple, do the right thing to protect yourself and your loved ones. Wear a mask, wash your hands, and stay out of crowds. You do not need to listen to ANY politician or the media, just use common sense assuming that still exists.

This too shall pass as so many pandemics have before. Be a role model for others in the meantime.

Excellent advice. I hope to meet you in person some day and shake your hand.

[n8xwb]

Very easily. How can NY have so many more deaths than N. Dakota? Well, first people in ND are pretty well social distanced to begin with. Lots of room, not many people. 2. How many people from ND travel to, from China and other countries? Probably not many when compared to NY. If you're not exposed you can't get the virus. Now look at it from a world perspective. How many folks living on a farm in Tasmania are likely to be exposed? How about those living in the Amazon Rain forest? How about those in the middle of Africa? Etc etc. Then how many of the residents in the poorest countries can even dream about world travel? There are all kinds of legitimate reasons why our country is being hit so hard and if you care to speculate that it is our leaders' fault you certainly can -- in my opinion it is just stupid speculation.

Oh, and don't forget who allowed their residents to leave an travel worldwide but wouldn't let them move around their own country....THAT WOULD BE CHINA.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Cranford61

We, the 5%ers, also create 27% of worlds greenhouses gasses. Not a good world citizen. Connection?

Agreed and will go even deeper - greenhouse gas caused by mostly the US, which was #1 for many past years, now #2 - gas caused Global Warming - which probably (?not yet proven) cause animal species (like bats) disruption which CAUSED a normally animal virus to JUMP to humans.

You could even say, "what goes around, then comes around".

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by reg331

Did they die FROM the virus or WITH the virus? Big difference!

Only God would be qualified to answer the question of FROM or WITH.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by Nordhagen

Have read that the CDC said that only 6% of deaths are only due to the virus. The rest had underlying health issues that the virus, obviously, didn’t help. That’s 12,000 deaths directly tied to the virus.

I read the same thing.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

I read the same thing.

I am wondering if any of your read the thread posts or only those that support your position....that has been answered a number of times.

Not many folks at my age die from one single thing, you know

[graciegirl]

We have read them all. I choose to hope that the dying will stop soon. We have had some hopeful information in the last few days;

Phase 3 clinical trial of investigational vaccine for COVID-19 begins | National Institutes of Health (NIH)

Johnson & Johnson's coronavirus vaccine is fourth to begin Phase 3 trials in the United States

[graciegirl]

Rather than focus on what is heartbreaking, many choose to hope this will end soon. It not only affects this country but the entire world.

Twice in the last week we have had encouraging news about two different vaccines entering the third and final phase of testing.

I posted them above

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Actually, according to one study the death rate is lower since the pandemic than it was from 2014 through 2018. I got this info from Macrotrends so I can not attest to the veracity of the information.

The death rate this year is NO higher than it is any other year. SO, if this is true then the normal deaths are being contributed to the virus pandemic and what some folks are saying on here is correct.

Considering the fact that in the Villages there has only been about 60 deaths supposedly from the virus, the ratio is very low. No deaths would be better but death is a fact of life(?) If there are something like 150,000 residents in The Villages (not sure of the number) then 60 deaths is pretty darn low.



Sorry, but making this political is pretty weak.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

We have read them all. I choose to hope that the dying will stop soon. We have had some hopeful information in the last few days;

Phase 3 clinical trial of investigational vaccine for COVID-19 begins | National Institutes of Health (NIH)

I sincerely hope so also..........but it is all conflicted now. Some say soon (politicians).....some say middle of next year (scientists, some).

This thread was not about that and the virus is NOT correctly described as "not affecting anybody". It is a serious problem to be addressed, but I must reply to those who say it was something it was not. Americans need to know who to trust.

I pray with you on this vaccine news, and both of us are at an age where I resent those posts that seem to write us all off.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by loribellitt

The Civil Discourse Club in The V recently hosted a Zoom meeting w/a former CDC employee giving an update on Covid. It's a great club to join to receive pertinent info on many subjects. Pertinent to Covid were some valid points:
*Due to a lack of clear messaging, 2 countries suffer: US & Spain (Spain recently handed virus control to 'regional' govts to their peril)
*In Korea now, easy tests are similar to a pregnancy test (available at Dollar General)
*Across the world, there are over 200 possible vacs in development.
*60-70% of population needs to be vaccinated or recovered for herd immunity. As of now, only 2% have been exposed.
*Virus not changing as quickly as normal flu virus. In S. Africa where they are currently going through regular 'flu' season, it's not nearly as severe, thanks mostly to masking already taking place for Covid.
*Estimates vacs availability April 2021 earliest.
*Convalescent plasma has NOT been effective.
*Regarding govt. payments to hospitals for Covid diagnoses: They do NOT receive payment if patient admitted w/pre-existing condition.
*Initial messaging from the CDC was diluted dramatically.
*One metric used to determine Covid deaths is average of TOTAL deaths (car accidents, suicide, cancer, heart attack, etc) in same time frame year-to-year. It doesn't change much EXCEPT for this year where, sometime ago, deaths were up over 200,000. This points to Covid deaths actually being underreported.

Thank you! That was the most factual and informative post I have seen today and for MANY days. I learned a lot and I had a pretty good base knowledge of CV from before. Sounds like a GREAT club to belong to!!!!!

[brunogal]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

OK, so what would you have done differently? Ignore Fauci and Birx??? Create a panic with gloom and doom talk??? Use psychic ability to know the facts about the virus before they were discovered? Even Monday morning quarterbacking is difficult with this one.

There are many reasons for the US to have a higher percentage of deaths---mobile population, genetically diverse, frontier mentality, distrust of authority---pick one or more.

A national response was required for this one, as demonstrated by every other rich country who responded thusly and with vigor. But for that, leadership is also required.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Masterchin

96 percent would still be alive had they not had COVID-19. I too have four Doctors I’m close with and all have confirmed that hospitals DONT get paid more for a positive COVID death. Really amazing people believe politicians over science. The latest one I heard was mask don’t work. That’s why Doctors and nurses wear them every day. Twenty six years USAF and I thought During times of crisis we’re supposed to join together and generally care about fellow Americans. We pick politics over family, over country, over neighbors. We’re okay with lies and dishonest politicians as long as it serves our purpose. We should demand better from our leaders and if we don’t get it we vote them out. Leaders are supposed to unite us not divide us. Divided we will fall!

Correct. And thanks for your service. You are doing you part.

[Domenick]

Hindsight is 20/20. So tell me what these other countries did that their numbers are so good.

[merrymini]

I think reading these comments are very amusing. I would love to hear from people who say we should have been prepared for the pandemic. How? Which pandemic? Evidence that this came from a chinese lab. Mistaken release? On purpose? Lied about the wet market. Lies about their numbers. Who will ever tell? WHO thinks china is the greatest. Really? We did things wrong? No. We did our best and I am glad we have someone who is positive and hopeful. That is what living is, hope.