[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The proof of "not harming others" is NOT fully researched yet. I have heard research that says a fully vaccinated person can still spread it to others. More study is needed by everyone. You may WANT to believe something, but that does NOT make it true!

Works the other way around also. I believe what I know is true, therefore I will act according. If anyone has a problem with that, they can complain to someone that might give a ------------ (you can fill in the blank). Like I said, someone's theory does not make it true. I would rather go on years of testing, than some political medical expert's OPINION or guess. Just because he has no studies to prove his theory does not make someone else's experience and years of testing wrong.

My T shirt will say "VACCINATED, but still stay away from me." Not my fault if you violate my personal space and find out that you are right and I am wrong. It will all be on you. Consider it a "No Trespassing" sign.

Don't think that my kind and giving nature means that I am a door mat.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

And it is "CLEAR" to me that the Hospital did the RIGHT / CORRECT thing to test for CV. I hope that they would since we are in a WORLDWIDE pandemic and people in the US are the #1 spreaders of the disease. A more infectious and deadly variant has taken hold all over the US, so only by testing can Scientists do contact tracing and mapping to stop it. It is a NEW world for DOCTORS after CV and MOST (?) will want to embrace all the knowledge and statistics that they can find and create. Why complain when Science moves on? Plus for the most cynical of reasons - hospitals do NOT want to be sued for misdiagnosing a patient that has CV symptoms. That would be bad for ALL Doctors' reputations. We would NOT want that? would we?

1) Priorities, priorities. You don't stick your head out the window to check the weather after the tornado hits. It's fine to test for COVID, but not while a patient may be bleeding out

2) How many hospitals have you run??? Since I only ran one, you may have me beat

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Pillowtalk

I have a gentleman who lives in my neighborhood who was diagnosed with Covid and was in Sam’s Club three days after his diagnosis without a mask on. He refuses to wear a mask because it fogs his glasses. These are the type of people you have to worry about.....you are not really safe anywhere.
I will continue to wear a mask until it is safe for everyone (that want’s and is waiting for a vaccine). If people don’t want a vaccine that is their choice, but I will follow the science. These people that don’t care about other people are not only playing Russian Roulette with their lives but with innocents as well.

Did Sam's Club allow this guy to remain in the store without a mask? They should have escorted him out if he refused to wear a mask.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Did Sam's Club allow this guy to remain in the store without a mask? They should have escorted him out if he refused to wear a mask.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by sdeikenberry

Mortal1, you are mistaken. Droplets of moisture are expelled even when talking and breathing. Science my friend...science.

Very true. You can see your "breath" when in a cold climate. You can not see your breath in a warm climate but it is there, just like in a cold climate. That is really the easiest way to explain to anyone who can not grasp the concept.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Leadbone1

Right with you on this. First of all I don’t wear a mask hardly ever now. I have had the first shot of the vaccine and getting the second next month. At that point in time I will not be wearing a mask. If someone wants to try to kick me out of a store they’re going to have a problem. It is not a law and people need to stop acting like it is. The degree of paranoid that exist among so many people Is alarming

But......if the store has a policy that they want their patrons to wear masks, then it is their right to ask you to leave. Their property, their rules.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

Once the vaccine is widely available and anyone can get it, we can remove the masks.

There is no reason at all to protect those who refuse to get the vaccine. That is a conscience decision to put their lives at risk.

The rest of humanity doesn't exist to protect those who refuse to protect themselves.

I agree with this POV. I refuse to protect an anti-vaxxer by having to wear a mask. It is their choice not to be vaccinated and at any given point in time that the vaccine is available to anyone who wants the vaccine, that is when my mask comes off for good.

To those who can not be vaccinated for a medical issue, I feel it is up to the individual at that point to protect themselves when out and about in public. That is when N95 masks should be used for protection of the wearer. Also, those who can not be vaccinated for medical issues should be responsible for themselves to keep their distance from others. If not going to crowded events, then that is what they must do to protect themselves.

Call me selfish if you feel I'm selfish. All I can say is I have adhered 100% to CDC guidelines ever since this pandemic began and I look forward to going through life without having to cover my face and socially distance from others. That time is not here yet but I will wait patiently to hear from our experts when that time is here.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I AM connected directly to the BIG man/woman in the sky. Thank you for noticing!

Right...............this coming from a person that at one time called ALL of the lawn care people here "low life scum", "crack heads" "theifs" "losers that can't do anything else"................What would Jesus say to that?
That post, along with the replies were deleted after you got crap for that generalization. I wish it was still accessible, it was a doozie!
You are a hypocrite, plain and simple.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

Please research you are not 100% protected from the virus.....YES you can still get Covid after vaccine....YES there are many different strain and variants not protected by the vaccine. YES you can still be a carrier and give someone else the virus.

Not according to this news report. And.....there are others but I'm just linking this one......

Pfizer, Moderna vaccines can protect against coronavirus variant, lab studies suggest - CNN

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

Please research you are not 100% protected from the virus.....YES you can still get Covid after vaccine....YES there are many different strain and variants not protected by the vaccine. YES you can still be a carrier and give someone else the virus.

95% is pretty good in my book. I'll take 95% vaccine protection vs ZERO PERCENT. I have no idea how my own immune system will fair against this virus so I don't trust it. I can't recall the last time I was ill with any type of illness, even a common cold. I still do not trust my immune system against the Covid virus but then I'm not so young anymore.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC

I have linked this in another thread. Great info and it is from the CDC. But......too bad there are some folks out there that do not trust the CDC. I'm not one of them, however.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Unfortunately, there is no comparison in how the cause of death is reported.

In 30+ years of practice, I never once signed a death certificate with "Influenza" listed as the cause, and neither did most doctors.

Now, there is a financial incentive to list COVID on the DC and on hospital bills.

So, I wonder how many fewer "COVID" deaths we would have if they were counted the way we traditionally count influenza deaths, and how many more influenza deaths if there were the same financial incentive for the influenza diagnosis. A hint of this lies in the almost ridiculous low number of influenza cases this year. (and NO, it's not because people are wearing a mask)

Were those deaths listed as pneumonia if the person died with influenza?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Paranoia. Terror. Ignorance. Sub-normal intelligence. Brainwashed by media.

Take your pick. Last time this question was posted there were a ton of lame excuses that all started with "I'm not afraid, but....." In reality, they are all afraid. And that's OK, do what you want to feel safe. But you are deluding yourself if you think wearing a mask in your car does anything to prevent COVID. And you are even more delusional if you are denying your fear.

I'm going to paraphrase a scenario here but one poster made this excuse some time ago. See if you can understand her reasoning......

The poster said she had to pick up her 90 year old mother in the car to bring her to the doctor. She figured if she was asymptomatic for Covid, breathing in an enclosed car would have all those Covid viruses all over the place in the car. Then, her 90 year old mother was going to get into a car that had a bunch of Covid viruses floating around.

I understand, all she had to do was open all the windows in the car and all those virus particles would have flown out the windows and not had been a problem for her 90 year old Mom. But...........what if it was 95 degrees outside and her 90 year old Mom could not tolerate such high temperature without becoming ill. So, she had to keep the car windows closed as she drove to pick up her Mom. That is why she wore a mask in her car all by herself.

Thoughts?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Byte1

The woman wishes to wear a mask alone in her car and talk through it to a person dozens of feet away, behind a protective window. I am surprised that she is able to leave her home. I wonder if she wears a mask when talking on the phone.

For those that suggest that one must wear the mask after waiting the prescribed time after receiving the second dose, I'm sorry but in my case, I have no plan to continue to wear a mask after the shots. If the vaccine is not good enough to protect me from the virus, then I don't see why I even got it to begin with.
I read a study conducted by the Israelis that is still on-going for an undetermined time, that indicates (so far) that vaccinated subjects did NOT carry or transmit the virus to others. I prefer to believe their study and adjust my actions accordingly. If I am not able to transmit the virus to others once I am vaccinated, I see no reason to continue to wear the mask just because it makes others feel more secure. On the other hand, if you feel that you might transmit the invisible demon virus to others, than by all means continue to wear your safety diaper. I am not going to tell anyone that wishes to be safe to ignore their worries.
I have thought of having a T shirt made up that says "Have shots, but stay 6ft away anyway." The Israeli study seems to indicate that once a virus spore is inhaled into the vaccinated system, it is attacked and destroyed. Thus, one is unable to transmit it to others. Some wish to think that the vaccination makes your infection less serious, but that you still get sick. I prefer to think that if I go to trouble of getting vaccinated, that I will be inoculated against COVID. If it turns out that like the ever persistent FLU, that it does not protect one against infection, then I will not get any boosters in the future, if offered. I see no reason to have foreign matter injected into me for a half-@ssed effort to reduce the effects of the virus. Now, that's just my opinion and I have no wish to influence anyone else's decision to get the vaccine. Like I said, I am waiting for my second dose. If I am wrong, then I have only lost a few hours to the effort of obtaining the vaccination.

Be careful, stay safe and enjoy life. You only get one ride so make it a fun one.

Dr. Fauci did say on a news cast that there is growing evidence that vaccinated people do not transmit the virus to others. I surely hope this is proven without a doubt. I found this article and there are others with a Google search.....

Dr. Fauci Just Said the COVID Vaccine Could Also Protect You From This

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Were those deaths listed as pneumonia if the person died with influenza?

They were listed as pneumonia if the person had pneumonia. People don't usually die directly from influenza (or COVID). They die from pneumonia, or sepsis, or CHF

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I'm going to paraphrase a scenario here but one poster made this excuse some time ago. See if you can understand her reasoning......

The poster said she had to pick up her 90 year old mother in the car to bring her to the doctor. She figured if she was asymptomatic for Covid, breathing in an enclosed car would have all those Covid viruses all over the place in the car. Then, her 90 year old mother was going to get into a car that had a bunch of Covid viruses floating around.

I understand, all she had to do was open all the windows in the car and all those virus particles would have flown out the windows and not had been a problem for her 90 year old Mom. But...........what if it was 95 degrees outside and her 90 year old Mom could not tolerate such high temperature without becoming ill. So, she had to keep the car windows closed as she drove to pick up her Mom. That is why she wore a mask in her car all by herself.

Thoughts?

It's a one off story. It doesn't explain the hundreds of people I've seen driving alone with a mask