[jdulej]

Originally Posted by ithos

So are you making the point that the quality of life and crime has not deteriorated in the last few years? And the new Soros backed DA is doing a good job?

Please enlighten us.

Oh, here is what the locals think:

San Francisco quality of life declining? 70% in poll say yes

And this:

Businesses Are Fleeing California. Blame Bad Government. - Bloomberg

I don't have to visit North Korea to know that it would not be a good place to retire.

Is there a city anywhere in the world where the quality of life has improved and the crime rate has gone down in the past few years? Maybe Wildwood, but only the Villages part.

I can't get past the Bloomberg paywall to read that link, but the survey in the other is suspect, being funded by the very business oriented Chamber of Commerce.

My point was that homelessness is a problem all over the US, it's just out in the open out west and people are trying to do something about it (maybe not very well). Just running people out of your town, so you can claim some sort of purity is not addressing the problem at all.

[lawgolfer]

The police will not arrest shoplifters who steal items totaling less than $900. The security guards at the stores let the shoplifters walk in front of them and out the door carrying the stolen items.

Wallgreens is not renewing its leases in S.F. and is in the process of closing all stores in the City. Gangs of shoplifters run into their stores, sweep a shelf of items into a shopping bag and run out the door. The gangs then meet up with a buyer who pays them cash. The stolen items then go to flea markets or are listed on eBay.

We lived in S.F. for several years. They were the best years of our lives. We left for the Central Valley because of housing prices and a growing family. We stopped visiting the City several years ago because of the homeless, the panhandlers, and the general deterioration. Finally, we left California for all these reasons together with the property and income taxes.

[Chi-Town]

Nice to see Bay Kid concerned about the City by the Bay.

Take a Look at the City by the Bay- San Francisco

[ithos]

Originally Posted by jdulej

Is there a city anywhere in the world where the quality of life has improved and the crime rate has gone down in the past few years? Maybe Wildwood, but only the Villages part.

I can't get past the Bloomberg paywall to read that link, but the survey in the other is suspect, being funded by the very business oriented Chamber of Commerce.

My point was that homelessness is a problem all over the US, it's just out in the open out west and people are trying to do something about it (maybe not very well). Just running people out of your town, so you can claim some sort of purity is not addressing the problem at all.

Ok, then show me the survey that says local citizens overwhelmingly love the place. Provide the links that says that all this stuff is made up and San Francisco doesn't have a poop app.

'SnapCrap' app invites San Francisco residents to report poop on city streets

The Amount of Poop on San Francisco'''s Streets Has Hit an All-Time High

I am always willing to change my opinion. It only requires a reasoned and sourced explanation.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

O....M....G!!!!! So I read the first 15 replies then stopped. Not one subsequent post challenged the validity of the original post, and not one offered a post to confirm post #1 was total BS! You all were told something you wanted to hear and ran with it.......Classic definition of Sheep or Sheeple!!!!

And not one post to challenge the validity of the OP...

Classic definition of Sheep or Sheeple!!!!

Here, does this satisfy you?

California’s Shoplifting Laws - What You Need to Know

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

And not one post to challenge the validity of the OP...

Classic definition of Sheep or Sheeple!!!!

Here, dose this satisfy you?

California’s Shoplifting Laws - What You Need to Know

That explains the law. But, in San Francisco, the police "may" issue a citation for a misdemeanor shoplifting, but they do not make an arrest. So, the OP's initial post is entirely valid.

[golfing eagles]

"no consequence shoplifting"---figures

I will not comment on this thread, since I gave up on SF after the murder of Kate Steinle

They all have what they wanted and deserve now.

[donassaid]

According to Fox News yesterday, you can now shoplift up to $950 in broad daylight without recourse. The police will not respond to any robbery at that amount or under and, even those who are arrested face no bail. One can only imagine what would happen to a store owner or manager who took it upon himself to confront a perp with a shotgun, a bat, a lead pipe or even his fists. Californians are pure nuts to put up with this insanity.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by jdulej

I can tell by the comments who has actually spent time in SF and who has learned about it from Fox Non-News. At least in California they don't push their homeless off into the woods so no one sees them.

Wow! What's the weather gone be tomorrow, oh seer?

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by crash

Here we go on our way to being deleted. Some people just always have to go there.

Excuse me? No politics involved here, unless you think discussing a social issue is. If so, not my problem.

[DaleDivine]

Originally Posted by J1ceasar

I hear in Chicago they are going to decriminalize shootings with guns if they are 22 s 32s and 45's. Only if you carry out the big gun 357 will you get arrested

A .45 is a whole lot bigger than a .357...

[DaleDivine]

Originally Posted by Petersweeney

Where are their parents?

The kids don't know who their parents are...

Originally Posted by Toymeister

My daughter lives there. She doesn't consider it bad overall. I am not questioning her thought process but I do try to understand why she feels that way. I have concluded:

She likes her income

Some areas are "better" than others

She has empathy for the homeless

She enjoys the weather

The overall atmosphere in California teaches you to accept this sort of behavior

She has far less living history of not accepting public homelessness, drug use, urination, and prostitution than I do.

She is probably like many of the residents of California.

It appears you can shoplift anywhere now in the USA, and get away with it. It's part of the "Great Reset". Sad, but true.

[DaleDivine]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

O....M....G!!!!! So I read the first 15 replies then stopped. Not one subsequent post challenged the validity of the original post, and not one offered a post to confirm post #1 was total BS! You all were told something you wanted to hear and ran with it.......Classic definition of Sheep or Sheeple!!!!

Annnddd yet here you are on post #53.. LOL you're the one full of BS you troll.

[MrLonzo]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Can you shoplift up to $900. in San Francisco and not be arrested?

I live in San Diego. It's now like that in all the major cities of California. Steal up to $950 in merchandise and no arrests or prosecutions. The results are starting to come in. Stores like Walgreens are closing, mostly in the inner cities and poorer neighborhoods. Retailers are going more and more toward online shopping.

While police look the other way, it's not clear why private security also refuse to 'detain' the thieves. If I owned a store, I'd hire a security team to take back the stolen merchandise. If that resulted in an escalation to violence, then the police could be called in. Don't know if anyone has tried walking out of a Costco without paying -- they check the receipts at the exit door. I wonder how they would handle a thief.