[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by macawlaw

What am I missing? RBG is dead.

Actually, it makes PERFECT sense when one reads between the lines. If it were spelled out, then it would be less interesting than having to contemplate or research the meaning. It is the same thing that directors of famous movies do to create a "buzz" - various endings are sometimes enjoyed by an audience.

[Driller703]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

They do have a choice. They can get a vaccine or they can find another job. The healthcare worker mandate refers only to facilities that treat medicare and medicaid patients. If you are a health care worker in a facility that doesn't accept either of them, you're not obligated by law to vaccinate. Your boss might require it as a condition of employment anyway though and that would be his/her right as a business owner.

Get a vaccine or lose your job. I may have missed something. Is there a mandate get a vaccine or lose your welfare? Or get a vaccine or lose your food stamps? Or get a vaccine or lose your free everything if you are in the country illegally? There must be, and I just missed it, right

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Debating is a centuries-old (maybe since anthropological time) method of conveying GOOD information and allowing the audience to learn and draw better conclusions than without debates. Socrates and early Greek states LOVED debates - it was a cornerstone for their early DEMOCRACIES. lincoln debated at a key point in US History.
.......The proof IS in THIS pudding........would a person rather live in a society with low or zero debates - aka a Dictatorship. Or a society that ENCOURAGES debates.....aka a Democracy. Be careful what you choose and wish for! Today, it is important!

What do you think "mandates" are? They are a form of "dictatorship" because someone else is making your decision for you and you have NO choice. That ain't no Democracy that I know of.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Great! Now we don't have to pay our Federal taxes. No mandates, no rules, no laws....let's all go to the square nude to protest all mandates.

Do you really need to have the difference between a "mandate" and a "law" explained to you?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Do you really need to have the difference between a "mandate" and a "law" explained to you?

What Is an Executive Order?

This spells it out. You will find all of these in a law library for instance.

Supreme Court blocks Biden Covid vaccine mandate for businesses, allows health-care worker rule

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by taruffi57

No one in America - who get their news from television, is being told of the MASSIVE numbers of injured and dead from these "vaccines". Why do you think medical personnel have refused the shots? Couldn't be that they know the truth, could it? How about myocarditis in boys/young men, after jabs? Even The CDC, VAERS, WHO, many respected medical research findings, untold #s of doctors, and even the heads of Health Departments in some Countries..warning of injuries. Why then are draconian restrictions being exacted against we citizens.
"something ain't right".

On what planet in what universe?????

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by maistocars

and then you realized that over 70% of those hospitalized for CV are vaxxed and over 50% in ICU are vaxxed per the latest stats out of Ontario and Alberta provinces in Canada. They track that stuff. It's unfortunate we do not, but then the gig would be up if we did.It's also unfortunate they mandated this for healthcare workers as they likely all have natural immunity.
(Link to Alberta stats: COVID-19 Alberta statistics | alberta.ca)

Actually, we do track "that stuff' and 95% of the ICU beds a re UNvaccinated.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

Unvaccinated are not the problem; no matter how many times that lie is repeated. The vaccinated do get infected and spread the virus just as much as the unvaccinated whether symptomatic or not. That is truth. That is science.

100% vaccinated cruise ship cancels cruise and returns. Tell me again how getting vaccinated allows you to take cruises and roam the planet without a mask.

Passengers stuck at sea after Norwegian cancels cruise mid-voyage | TheHill

Unvaccinated ARE THE PROBLEM, no matter how many times the liars repeat they're not.

[Taltarzac725]

Access Denied

This gives details in the thinking behind this.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

What do you think "mandates" are? They are a form of "dictatorship" because someone else is making your decision for you and you have NO choice. That ain't no Democracy that I know of.

The US was a Democracy when I grew up in the 60s and 70s (and before). Polio shots were "mandated" by Federal Government Agencies. There was a national mandate for the "Soil Bank" for farmers and ranchers - they were PAID to NOT FARM! Was that Federal overreach - some kind of socialism or communist plot? What about the doctrine of "eminent domain" ....another quasi-government "socialism" take-over? What about when the Federal requires an MMR shot (note...not jab) or an RSV vaccination? What about the Federal Government paying the oil companies for drilling - years after it was unnecessary - where is the OUTCRY against that.
No! Today's anti-vaxx movement is a fairly recent development (about 10 to 15 years). And yes, there was some early "live virus" vaccines around 1940 or whenever, that got some early anti-vaxxing going. But, medical science was less knowledgable then vs today. And, if we don't slip into some dark ages from WW3, medical science will be more impressive in 2050. Today's anti-vaxx movement is stronger than earlier versions due to the linking of some religious believers, Russian propagandists, intellectual laziness, and chaotic social and cultural thinking grabbing hold of US minds.
.......Basically, we have anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers, anti-certain groups, and anti-science types - all leading to anti-democracy. So SAD!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Byte1

What do you think "mandates" are? They are a form of "dictatorship" because someone else is making your decision for you and you have NO choice. That ain't no Democracy that I know of.

So, you'd be fine if the guy who does your colonoscopy says "nah - I don't feel like washing my hands today, and no one better dare mandate that."

Or your dentist say "oh - that dirt on the drill? That's from the last guy we used it on. Clean it? Since when does anyone mandate what we do with our own equipment? Open up...."

Or the rec center say "we don't have to put "caution, wet floor" cones on the tile after washing them - no one can mandate that."

(here's a clue: the government can absolutely mandate ALL of those things. And they DO mandate that).

You're okay with all the above, so why do you object to knowing that the nurse who takes care of your sick spouse at the hospital is vaccinated?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Also I'm thinking I'll just start parking in handicap spots from now on. Because the government shouldn't be mandating who gets to park closer to Publix than anyone else. And if I feel like blocking the wheelchair ramp with my car at the curb, you need to just relax and wait til I'm darned good and ready to move. To heck with the ADA, screw those mandates.

[Dana1963]

Originally Posted by xkeowner

At least for now the separate mandate for healthcare workers remains in place.

Science is my most favorite subject, especially the Old Testament

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

What do you think "mandates" are? They are a form of "dictatorship" because someone else is making your decision for you and you have NO choice. That ain't no Democracy that I know of.

Actually, my post was about the subject of debates. And I threw in some Historic references. it was all fairly factual and straightforward. There was little, if anything, opinionating there. And "mandates" were not mentioned. Maybe in one of my other posts??????

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

On what planet in what universe?????

The Planet - Strange Villagerland. There are a few such orbiting around us in the "outer fringes"!