[Vette2014]

Nascar pandering. no Backbone, ALL LIVES MATTER BUBBA

I was a manager at a factory and we had a row of bay doors. Some of the doors had a noose and some didn't. The doors can get hard to open over time.

I'm not saying Bubba wasn't targeted by a racist person. I'm just sharing my experience using a noose to create a hand hold on a garage door pull.

[Dana1963]

That is not a two year old garage pull as the FBI reported. There would be some discoloration from oil and grease over time!

Originally Posted by Guest

There was a lengthy thread, shut down by the moderator when it got nasty, regarding the investigation instigated by NASCAR after a noose was found at a race track.










The thread was titled
Nascar Noose story may be a hoax or case of mistaken identity
See those were the only two possibilities mentioned.

I could cite many more. This gist of the majority of postings on the thread was that there was no real noose, it was all fake news. Now more information is out including the actual unretouched, uncropped photo and data from NASCAR about the pull down ropes on every other garage door in its sport.

There was exactly ONE noose found in examining 1,684 stalls. ONE. And only 11 ropes tied in a knot out of 1,684 stalls. And this is a noose. It wasn't aimed at Mr. Wallace and may not have been made maliciously. But it is absolutely not a standard rope on a garage door. It was not an over-reaction or fake. It was not a hoax and it was not mistaken identity. It was a real noose, and the only rope at a NASCAR facility tied into a noose. And to those who are seemingly willingly blind to the reasons there was concern. I offer this photograph.

[ScottYvonne]

It had been there since October 2019, you can not leave that fact out. Stop it...Bubba put out a statement he was glad it was a mistake. After he had time to see footage for himself.

[CFrance]

I see everyone on here is "guest." Is this the new current events forum?

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by Guest

Why on earth would you start another thread on this?

agreed, very low-quality thread & will probably be removed again, why push it?? what point can be made? it's become a non-issue

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by Guest

What/who is the source for this picture?

thank you, it looks like a shopped thumbnail

[ProfessorDave]

You got it right! Just do the math! So many ignorant people - shame!

[Scorpyo]

Ah the noose (again). Let me tell you a little story. On a previous post I mentioned that I had a need to learn to tie a really good knot. One that would hold my fat ….. on a high roof. When I started my research into knots I got a little enthused. So I started making all kinds of knots. For me it was similar to learning magic tricks. I was impressed when I successfully completed a complicated one. I saw the noose knot. I was tempted to do it but at that point I was too lazy. Had I successfully completed one I’m certain I would have been proud and probably kept it. You won’t believe it but the one thing that didn’t come to my mind was racial injustice. I’m sure some of you would call me ignorant or insensitive. But the fact is I’m pretty much an average person. Not everyone looks for the dark side in everything that’s done. I’ve been to hundreds of motorcycle service departments and seen many ropes. Never once in my wildest imagination did I make a connection to the knot looking like a noose and it being a statement of racial injustice. So, now nooses are a sign of racial injustice. I guess chains will be next. After all what was used on all when they were transported. Let’s get back to nooses. I bet everyone reading this has seen the movie Hang ‘Em High. There were many nooses and hangings in that movie. Where was the outrage? There was none because no one made a connection to racial injustice. How about Pirates of the Caribbean? How about Homeland? It had a very graphic hanging scene with a noose. I guess Hollywood, as usual, is exempt. Let’s move over to Nascar. I don’t know if it was ignorance that started this or that they thought someone might make something of it so they decided they’d get ahead of it. Make something out of possibly nothing and become the good guys – I guess maybe that was their strategy. I don’t know about that but what I do know is that the marketing after-the-fact has been brilliant. It was not a noose but it was fashioned like a noose (?) and days later we’re still discussing, no, arguing about it. Lastly, I guess I shouldn’t try to make a noose because it’s no longer a knot and I’m going to get rid of all my chains because I’m sure they’re next.

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by Guest

... when a photo of the actual "noose" is not shown to the public, it is quite easy to drift over to the Jussie Smollett paradigm. In fact, it's my default position until shown otherwise. And I wasn't shown otherwise. So, it was just a rope to grab the garage door.

But it has been shown, and the picture provided by NASCAR is in the very first post in this thread.

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by Guest

Or....it is possible that little rope noose was retied and photographed to cause people to talk about racism.

Not really, because the same rope with the same noose on the same garage door has also been shown before it was cut off. That photo is reportedly from 2019.

[ldj1938]

We're talking about red neck racing. This really started on dirt tracks in the south with the good old beer drinkin' rebs havin' fun. I can see some bored mechanic or helper tying, unsuccessfully, a noose. Big deal! Get another beer and move on...

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by Guest

Ah the noose (again). Let me tell you a little story. On a previous post I mentioned that I had a need to learn to tie a really good knot. One that would hold my fat ….. on a high roof. When I started my research into knots I got a little enthused. So I started making all kinds of knots. For me it was similar to learning magic tricks. I was impressed when I successfully completed a complicated one. I saw the noose knot. I was tempted to do it but at that point I was too lazy. Had I successfully completed one I’m certain I would have been proud and probably kept it. You won’t believe it but the one thing that didn’t come to my mind was racial injustice. I’m sure some of you would call me ignorant or insensitive. But the fact is I’m pretty much an average person. Not everyone looks for the dark side in everything that’s done. I’ve been to hundreds of motorcycle service departments and seen many ropes. Never once in my wildest imagination did I make a connection to the knot looking like a noose and it being a statement of racial injustice. So, now nooses are a sign of racial injustice. I guess chains will be next. After all what was used on all when they were transported. Let’s get back to nooses. I bet everyone reading this has seen the movie Hang ‘Em High. There were many nooses and hangings in that movie. Where was the outrage? There was none because no one made a connection to racial injustice. How about Pirates of the Caribbean? How about Homeland? It had a very graphic hanging scene with a noose. I guess Hollywood, as usual, is exempt. Let’s move over to Nascar. I don’t know if it was ignorance that started this or that they thought someone might make something of it so they decided they’d get ahead of it. Make something out of possibly nothing and become the good guys – I guess maybe that was their strategy. I don’t know about that but what I do know is that the marketing after-the-fact has been brilliant. It was not a noose but it was fashioned like a noose (?) and days later we’re still discussing, no, arguing about it. Lastly, I guess I shouldn’t try to make a noose because it’s no longer a knot and I’m going to get rid of all my chains because I’m sure they’re next.

Your story aside, you & many others still seem to be missing the point.
Bubba Wallace, "NASCAR's only Black full-time driver" didn't find the noose. A member of his team did. It truly seems to be a coincidence that it was hanging in the garage stall he was assigned, but is apparently unique in all of NASCAR. "Across the 1,684 garage stalls at 29 tracks, NASCAR found only 11 total had a pull-down rope tied in a knot and only one noose — the one discovered Sunday in the No. 43 garage stall." NASCAR completes investigation into No. 43 at Talladega | NASCAR
That being the case, what would this team member assume? That a rope fashioned with an actual noose at the end meant nothing? Even with the dark history of lynchings in the past? This wouldn't even have been the first time that a noose was purposely left as a symbol of hate & bigotry in recent times. Fortunately, it turned out to have been directed at no one in particular, but who could have known that at the moment it was found? Under those circumstance, nearly anyone would have reported it. Just because it turned out to have been unintentional, it doesn't make it a hoax.

[Scorpyo]

Originally Posted by ldj1938

We're talking about red neck racing. This really started on dirt tracks in the south with the good old beer drinkin' rebs havin' fun. I can see some bored mechanic or helper tying, unsuccessfully, a noose. Big deal! Get another beer and move on...

Careful what you ask for regardless of the fact that you're absolutely right. If your advice was taken then with whom would postors (?) be able to argue? BTW what is the correct way to say one who posts? Poster, postor? I tried to look it up but couldn't find it.

[rmd2]

Originally Posted by nututv

Yup, that's a noose alright and from memory, that looks like a stall off pit row. Only one problem. That piece of rope has never seen that stall. It's quite clearly photoshopped. Don't take my word either, ask anyone that knows their way around the fantastic Adobe product.
1. If you have a way of blowing it up (no, a magnifier won't cut it) you'll see three things that are dead giveaways. Ropes are weaved so why is the vertical part prior to the knot straight? In between each weave, the rope is physically narrower correct. So why is the background perfectly straight?
2. Why do the pixels of the background get so distorted where they meet the rope?
3. Look closely at the noose portion of the rope. (again, blown up) Why does it have a faint glow to it?
4. And knot to mention the obvious but... that's the cleanest, most perfect piece of rope I've ever seen in a garage. Sorry, it's a fake!
Nice try to whoever did it but that's about 20 minutes work I'd guess not including finding a bay pic and a rope pic to use.

That's right. The fake picture of this "noose" looks NOTHING like the ones I have seen in the news showing the loop of rope that was there for the garage door pull.