[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The only "disrespect" for police I see in this thread, are from posters who have a problem with police arresting vandals, and NOT arresting people who painted a mural on authority of the city's government. In other words - people criticizing the police for doing their jobs.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by blueash

And there is a nice defining difference between the two sides in this issue. One side wants the government to support the police "no matter what happens" The other side wants the government to support the citizens when the police are wrong.

I am sad that some good police feel "disrespected" but remind them that respect is earned and once lost can be regained by good acts. Point out the bad ones in your ranks.

Exactly the same dynamic has happened within the Catholic church. Very very few of its clergy were pedophiles. But all were tainted with that suspicion because too often their peers and their leaders covered up what they knew or suspected. If the church had promptly acted to remove the criminals the fall out would have been so much less. Instead the institution of the Church protected itself, like the police unions do.

One big difference is that the Church is a private organization which does not owe any allegiance or obligation to the citizens. Police are sworn to a whole different set of obligations. The government needs to support, fund, and recruit good men and women into police careers. It also needs to have strong policies to root out bad cops and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.

One line jumps out at me above. If only we each took individual responsibility for ourselves and owned our acts and tried to do better. The problem is this.......many of us who have had very few dealings with law enforcement, because we are law abiding, do not have a negative view of police officers. Many of us in fact have not witnessed what law enforcement sees every day. I don't think we pay law enforcement enough. I will be so glad when those who are bullies and unfair and violent people are weeded out, but I am not happy that some of the restraints of people who ARE violent will not be allowed to be used on them. I think it is unrealistic to believe that law enforcement as we know it can be replaced with social workers. Ethics and rule following had dropped so much in this country since parents no longer are with small children day to day, every day. Now parents having children are the ones in early childhood who spent about ten hours a day with caregivers who THEIR parents would not trust with their car keys.

[Velvet]

Roads are public property to be used by everyone, and should not be treated as bulletin boards with loaded messages. Makes for distracted driving. In an effort to ignore messages people will start ignoring traffic signage as well assuming it is some kind of effort to manipulate their thinking. I also really dislike large digital bill boards by the road which take my attention off traffic.

[Strongel]

Originally Posted by blueash

And there is a nice defining difference between the two sides in this issue. One side wants the government to support the police "no matter what happens" The other side wants the government to support the citizens when the police are wrong.

I am sad that some good police feel "disrespected" but remind them that respect is earned and once lost can be regained by good acts. Point out the bad ones in your ranks.

Exactly the same dynamic has happened within the Catholic church. Very very few of its clergy were pedophiles. But all were tainted with that suspicion because too often their peers and their leaders covered up what they knew or suspected. If the church had promptly acted to remove the criminals the fall out would have been so much less. Instead the institution of the Church protected itself, like the police unions do.

One big difference is that the Church is a private organization which does not owe any allegiance or obligation to the citizens. Police are sworn to a whole different set of obligations. The government needs to support, fund, and recruit good men and women into police careers. It also needs to have strong policies to root out bad cops and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.

Churches are being attacked openly now, seen by those like Comedian Bill Moyer as “the enemy of mankind” as he openly attempts to stigmatize Christians in particular calling them morons and worse....so much for love thy neighbor, forgiveness etc. A good book recently came out called “Dark Agenda” about what is occurring out in the open. It’s for every American not just spiritual persons...scary.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by CFrance

That mural was authorized by the city and painted by city workers.

Are these BLM murals on the streets paid for by tax payers?

[BS Beef]

Originally Posted by blueash

And there is a nice defining difference between the two sides in this issue. One side wants the government to support the police "no matter what happens" The other side wants the government to support the citizens when the police are wrong.

That's a pretty big leap. I’d say one side wants support for the vast majority of the good police officers and swift, firm justice for the bad. And the other side wants rioting, looting, and anarchy.

Question: What communities have less crime. Those that support and work in conjunction with their police departments or those that do not support nor work with their police departments?

The place we do have common ground is I believe the police unions are too strong and make it possible to keep people not suited for the job on the force.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by BS Beef

That's a pretty big leap. I’d say one side wants support for the vast majority of the good police officers and swift, firm justice for the bad. And the other side wants rioting, looting, and anarchy.

Question: What communities have less crime. Those that support and work in conjunction with their police departments or those that do not support nor work with their police departments?

The place we do have common ground is I believe the police unions are too strong and make it possible to keep people not suited for the job on the force.

Very true

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Strongel

Churches are being attacked openly now, seen by those like Comedian Bill Moyer as “the enemy of mankind” as he openly attempts to stigmatize Christians in particular calling them morons and worse....so much for love thy neighbor, forgiveness etc. A good book recently came out called “Dark Agenda” about what is occurring out in the open. It’s for every American not just spiritual persons...scary.

It's Bill Maher, not Bill Moyer. Bill Maher is known for his anti-religion stance, he's been dogging Christianity for decades.

[mtdjed]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The message in front of Trump Tower was painted by people who applied to the city with a permit to do so, and that permit was granted. It was intended to be temporary, it was in the category of artwork, such as a mural.

The vandals were just vandals who wanted to ruin something someone else did.

Wow, these people are vandals who ruin something somebody else did?

I thought they were protesters. Isn't that what has been going on all over the country? Shouldn't they be protected from being harassed by law enforcement? After all, what's a little graffiti, a few broken windows, a few fires, destroyed statues, demolished vehicles, etc?

[Marvic 1]

Originally Posted by CFrance

That mural was authorized by the city and painted by city workers.

Since when does Al Sharpton work for the City of New York, he should be arrested for putting graffiti onto streets.
Here is a picture of a Non-City workers laying yellow paint on the street.

[Northwoods]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The message in front of Trump Tower was painted by people who applied to the city with a permit to do so, and that permit was granted. It was intended to be temporary, it was in the category of artwork, such as a mural.

The vandals were just vandals who wanted to ruin something someone else did.

Here is my question - If a permit was given to paint BLM (they did it legally), and people who threw paint on the street are considered vandals because they wanted to ruin something, then why aren't all the "protesters" who are pulling down and defacing statues also arrested and charged with vandalism? Aren't they also vandals, just like the people that threw paint on BLM?
Why are some defacing acts tolerated, yet others are arrested and considered vandalism?

[Marvic 1]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

Wow, these people are vandals who ruin something somebody else did?

Its coming back to bite them in the butt... Are they "vandals" when the knock down Statues, desecrate and burn Churches?

[ONTAP15]

No no it was painted by deblazio, his wife and....none other than .the "rev" al sharpton

[mtdjed]

Was the "Gentleman" who struck the Police officer (Chief) on the Brooklyn bridge with a pole a protester, vandal or attempted murderer.

He hit the Officer with a lethal weapon , not in self defense, but in an attempt that could kill him. Some would say that if a police officer did that, he was attempting to unjustly murder. So, what happened to this person? I do not know for sure, but have heard he was apprehended, but released. Do not know if that is true.

Anyone observing this incident should be just as upset as those who are with the Police Officer who "murdered" George Floyd.

Yet the world is going crazy about the inhumane treatment given to George Floyd, but where is the same sentiment towards this incident where the intent was the same. And, the attacker supposedly released. Seems like attempted murder. Why no protests against this?

Hard to accept posts as legitimate from those that accept this activity as OK , but are vocal in criticizing "Vandals" who paint over vindictive BLM "Murals".

The guy who hit the Police Officer should be in jail and charged with attempted murder. Just as bad as the Police Officer who killed George Floyd. One succeeded, one failed, both just as bad. In fact, one might argue that the Police Officer and George had an encounter, and a fight that ended in death, but that the "Gentleman" just chose/selected" someone to attack even though not engaged with that person. Same attempt though.


The fact that he may have been released is unthinkable. If that did happen, we are lost.

[Northwoods]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I don't know. Why not ask the people who tolerate those acts? To me, destruction is destruction. Anyone who does it should be subject to the laws equally.

But this particular thread isn't about the statues and fires and window-breaking. The question of THIS thread is about the vandals who destroyed a recently-created graphic on a street, and why they are being considered criminals, but the people who created the graphic are not criminals.

The answer is - because the people who created the graphic had PERMISSION to do it. The people who destroyed the graphic did NOT have permission to do so.

You want to beat that dead rotting horse about the OTHER vandalism going on in the country, you should have no trouble finding a dozen other threads about it.

I agree with you. Destruction is destruction. I agree all people should be subject to laws equally.

They don't seem to be. But I do agree with you.