[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Ritabob

Nobody on the left wants to listen to listen to Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell. These two black men are too intelligent and too factual for them. They would rather have Sharpton ranting and raving. By the way, what does Sharpton do to earn his money?

He is paid to inflame the rabble. Does he earn it? Depends upon your point of view.

Personally think he should be in prison for tax evasion.

[Dahabs]

Originally Posted by Swoop

So you refer me to a left leaning publication. I started looking at the “charts and graphs”. For example one showing the disparity between the percentage of blacks in the population and in prison vs whites. Black males make up roughly 6% of the population yet commit more than 50% of the murders in the US and over 40% of the violent crimes. Therefore there should be a disproportionate percentage of blacks in prison. The chart on prison time for minor offenses fails to differentiate between those with priors (three strike law) Look at the actual numbers, not a left wing publication’s interpretation of them.

Sure. Publication is rated as center left so let's dismiss it as useless propaganda and go back to Tucker and Sean on Fox.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Dahabs

I used to think that way as well. Need to dig deeper into the underlying issues such as poverty, systemic and institutionalized racism. Just because there are many black on black homicides does not mean police killings should be ignored. Need to get out from our cocoon.

On the whole, police killings of unarmed people are not ignored. Most of the time those officers are prosecuted just like the officers involved in Minneapolis.

The problem is that most of the perpetrators of black on black killings never stand trial.

And if you have 1,000 people killed by one group and 19 killed by another, why is all of the attention being focused on the small group.

By he way, institutional racism is illegal in this country. If you know of an example you should report it to the local DA.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by roscoguy

I totally reject the idea that "the reason" for the protests and riots is police brutality, in and of itself. Police brutality is a symptom of the racism that still exits throughout our society. The flagrant killing of George Floyd was merely the catalyst for the protests. The rest of your OP is, to me, more twisted logic and refusal to admit that the actual "problem" always had it's roots in racism.

The problem with this argument is that there is not one shred of evidence that shows that the killing of George Floyd was racially motivated.

Bad police work? Yes. A horrible, brutal killing? Yes. Unnecessary overuse of force? Probably.

But did Derek Chauvin kill him because he was black? We don't know but it's more likely that it was over a dispute in pay for a security job that they both worked. These two men had a history.

[Bay Kid]

The parents need to teach respect and then they might not be shot. Just common sense.

[Cheiro]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Lets start with the big one, the reason all these protests and riots started.

Police brutality: Cops arrest about 10-12 million people per year, Last year Police killed 19 unarmed white people and 9 unarmed black people. If you say Police arrest more blacks per capita, I'll agree and remind you that blacks commit more crimes per capita. Lower your crime rate and you will lower your interaction with Police.

So if you completely eliminate Police killings of unarmed blacks, you will have reduced black deaths per year by the same amount as an average Sunday in Chicago.

Protests/Riots: Not a single black life will be saved, in fact several have been killed

Pulling down statues of Confederate Generals: Go ahead, it will have zero effect on saving black lives.

Renaming Forts: Nada, zip, zero

Defunding Police: This one is a big zero too. I've read articles saying there's too much Police in Black neighborhoods, and articles saying they need more Police. Actually, Police in many cities have lowered death rates of black shooting victims because they were instructed to take victims direct to hospitals instead of waiting for ambulances.

Autonomous Zones: If you allow armed citizens to patrol their own neighborhoods the gangs will infiltrate/bribe their way to control. Result, more killings.

All of the above is just theater, it's not going to actually solve the problem and save black lives. The biggest impact on saving black lives would be reducing the thousands of homicides committed every year by blacks on blacks.

But as Family Guy shows in video below, nobody wants to talk about that.

YouTube

You are quite correct. All these events are ineffective and rather theatrical which is why they draw such crowds. Protesting is interesting and exciting and even fun, but never accomplish what the participants desire. What does, however, is the one thing that actually works. It is the one thing that is none of these things, but it does have the advantage of being effective and that one thing is......VOTE!

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Dahabs

Sure. Publication is rated as center left so let's dismiss it as useless propaganda and go back to Tucker and Sean on Fox.

I indicated that it was left leaning (true) then proceeded to explain why the graphs they posted were based on incomplete or misleading data (true). I suggested that we look at the actual numbers that those graphs were derived from and the data that was conveniently left out.

[LynneH]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Lets start with the big one, the reason all these protests and riots started.

Police brutality: Cops arrest about 10-12 million people per year, Last year Police killed 19 unarmed white people and 9 unarmed black people. If you say Police arrest more blacks per capita, I'll agree and remind you that blacks commit more crimes per capita. Lower your crime rate and you will lower your interaction with Police.

So if you completely eliminate Police killings of unarmed blacks, you will have reduced black deaths per year by the same amount as an average Sunday in Chicago.

Protests/Riots: Not a single black life will be saved, in fact several have been killed

Pulling down statues of Confederate Generals: Go ahead, it will have zero effect on saving black lives.

Renaming Forts: Nada, zip, zero

Defunding Police: This one is a big zero too. I've read articles saying there's too much Police in Black neighborhoods, and articles saying they need more Police. Actually, Police in many cities have lowered death rates of black shooting victims because they were instructed to take victims direct to hospitals instead of waiting for ambulances.

Autonomous Zones: If you allow armed citizens to patrol their own neighborhoods the gangs will infiltrate/bribe their way to control. Result, more killings.

All of the above is just theater, it's not going to actually solve the problem and save black lives. The biggest impact on saving black lives would be reducing the thousands of homicides committed every year by blacks on blacks.

But as Family Guy shows in video below, nobody wants to talk about that.

YouTube

You are neglecting to offer a well thought out response to this very specific problem- Why do US police keep killing unarmed black men?

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by LynneH

You are neglecting to offer a well thought out response to this very specific problem- Why do US police keep killing unarmed black men?

Last year Police killed 9 unarmed blacks, and 17 unarmed whites. Officers were charged and tried for excessive force or even homicide in some cases, in other cases not charged because shooting was justified. They get lots of training but sometimes have to make split second decisions. Sometimes they get it wrong. I doubt it can be eliminated totally.

But these deaths are a small problem when compared to civilians, both black and white, killing each other by the 1000s every year.. Want to save more lives? Fix that problem.

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

Walter E. Williams: The true plight of black Americans
By Walter E. Williams Jun 10, 2020

White liberals and black politicians focus most of their attention on what the police do, but how relevant is that to the overall tragedy? According to Statista, this year, 172 whites and 88 blacks have died at the hands of police. To put police shootings in a bit of perspective, in Chicago alone in 2020 there have been 1,260 shootings and 256 homicides with blacks being the primary victims. That comes to one shooting victim every three hours and one homicide victim every 15 hours. Three people in Chicago have been killed by police. If one is truly concerned about black deaths, shootings by police should figure way down on one's list – which is not to excuse bad behavior by some police officers.
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[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Bellavita

Yes let’s do nothing
Blame the poorest
Keep our heads in the sand
This post is well written white speak
I suggest you walk a mile in another mans moccasins

All I hear are baseless accusations, how about some solutions.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz@comcast.net

All that is true......what needs to change is the mind set of the American people, employers, government and so on. When you hold down a race it will never get better.
I was talking to a worker at a AC company and still today white men get pay more then blacks or hispanic men. White men in construction advance fast then blacks and hispanic workers. Racial language is used on the job site everyday, racial language is written on the portable restrooms. Until we stop this kind of mind set things will never change. I truly did not under stand the “White Privilege” until I spoke to this worker about what goes on everyday day in all walks of live. Whether we wanna believe it or not they walk around with a target on them, they are look down at simply because of their color skin by a large portion of our communities? So until we fix that, we can not fix All Lives Matter. This FYI is not just a black issue.

gullible


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[billethkid]

Originally Posted by LynneH

You are neglecting to offer a well thought out response to this very specific problem- Why do US police keep killing unarmed black men?

SHort answer?
They don't. They just happen to be the ones the media and special interest groups want to talk about.

Another interesting piece of information would be how many black/police encounters occur every day/month/year.

The number of blacks killed by police would be minuscule out of the total.

FBI — Table 43

Over 2 million black/african American arrests in 2017 !!!!!!!!!!!!

Many would not have any interest to know that as it would destroy the myth the media and special interest groups prefer to portray.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by billethkid

SHort answer?
They don't. They just happen to be the ones the media and special interest groups want to talk about.

Another interesting piece of information would be how many black/police encounters occur every day/month/year.

The number of blacks killed by police would be minuscule out of the total.

FBI — Table 43

Over 2 million black/african American arrests in 2017 !!!!!!!!!!!!

Many would not have any interest to know that as it would destroy the myth the media and special interest groups prefer to portray.

There is a much bigger problem than cops killing a few black men. I do not understand why this incredible number of arrests of Blacks is not seen as the problem.

If nothing else, less interaction of police with blacks would yield less deaths.