[Sherry8bal]

I'm sorry but just because he/she "feels" like a woman or "wants" to be a woman or "thinks" she's a woman, he/she is still a MAN in the structure of his/her body. That means he/she has male muscles that a woman can never have and he/she should NOT be allowed to compete on any women's format.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

Oh ya? Here is a direct quote from this thread: "yeah, we hate them.. And putting quotations around 'people' is simply dehumanizing them as people who commit those atrocities don't deserve the title of 'human'..."

As for "insinuating" that hatred is implied when using a slur like freak, such an insinuation is no different than when using "hebe" for jew, the N word for a person of color, "beaner" for Latino, "homo" for gay, "fatso" for the obese, etc.

I'm going to anticipate that you (or someone) will argue that those epithets do not necessarily imply hatred, per se. OK, maybe, but it's indisputable they are condescending at the very least. And again, while we have a right to be condescending or even hateful, we will be scorned by a civilized society.

Perhaps sensitive individuals should not enter into discussions where they might be offended by someone else's difference in opinion? I must have missed the part in the First Amendment that stipulated that freedom of speech must be limited to only agreeable comments. Sorry about the sarcasm. I put that caveat on, so you would know that I am being sensitive to others' concerns about "hateful" language.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by stanley

Can you prove those were Jesus's words. After all they were written by humans also

Wow, a hairy subject to open.

Many people refuse to realize that for them freedom of religion is so long as it is my religion. A major problem when people talk about religion in public schools.

As far as the words of Jesus, they were not written till centuries after the death of Jesus. We all have played the game called telephone. A complected tale is told one by one to a line of people and then you/we are amazed at how it has changed with the retelling.

The new testament has been edited, translated into most languages and all versions are not the same.

[captboxcar]

He should be playing men he is not a woman and should not be allowed on LPGA,not fair to actual women

[captboxcar]

That would remove all women from fair competition.Play according to your birth gender.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by stanley

No, no I'm not

Then I'm overjoyed you respect Jesus' admonition not to judge.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Does this mean that Jenner is a lesbian? Asking for a friend.

Yes, Caitlyn Jenner is a lesbian. Who cares?

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Perhaps sensitive individuals should not enter into discussions where they might be offended by someone else's difference in opinion? I must have missed the part in the First Amendment that stipulated that freedom of speech must be limited to only agreeable comments. Sorry about the sarcasm. I put that caveat on, so you would know that I am being sensitive to others' concerns about "hateful" language.

I can't deny the freedom guaranteed by the First Amendment and I wholeheartedly embrace it here and everywhere. That does not mean that give-and-take discussion where divergent parties can possibly learn from each other should not take place.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by DAVES

Wow, a hairy subject to open.

Many people refuse to realize that for them freedom of religion is so long as it is my religion. A major problem when people talk about religion in public schools.

As far as the words of Jesus, they were not written till centuries after the death of Jesus. We all have played the game called telephone. A complected tale is told one by one to a line of people and then you/we are amazed at how it has changed with the retelling.

The new testament has been edited, translated into most languages and all versions are not the same.

Kind of off track from the subject, BUT....... the "words" of Jesus were written by Apostles, right? I do not believe they lived "centuries" after his death. I am no expert, but I am pretty sure.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

It was a lie from the get-go. The actual rule is "live and let live, as long as you live in a way that fits my misguided, myopic, and totally warped sense of reality."

That has been the rule here, it is still the rule here, and unless more people like you, me, Grumpy, and yes even justjim work to change it, it'll continue to be the rule.

There are transgenders living right here in the Villages, who might have read these posts and seen that members of THEIR community are referring to them as "freaks." A doctor, no less. "America's Friendliest Hometown" is a lie.

Give it a rest. You are intelligent enough to know I was NOT rendering a medical opinion. I can remember at least 2 pre-op and two [post-op transgender patients, and they were all treated with the utmost of respect, dignity, and professionalism. So don't give me that "a doctor, no less" crap.

What I expressed was a personal opinion, we are still permitted that in America, the PC police haven't taken that away completely(yet). And it is not without basis. We have mapped the entire human genome, and I don't think we have found the "transgender" gene. So the argument that they were "born that way" is, well to be polite, unsubstantiated. Therefore there is something in their environment/upbringing that led to their condition. Maybe mommy gave the boys too many dolls to play with or the girls the GI Joe bazooka. Maybe there was sexual abuse at a very early age. But in any case, I've found that all transgenders I know have deeply seated psychopathology.

Unless you go to some third world craphole for your surgery, legitimate programs will do very thorough psychiatric testing. That, in and of itself , should tell you something.
But as I said before, I don't "hate" transgender people, I simply disagree with the premise. So for all those holier than thou posters who didn't like the word "freak", I ask if you ever cured pneumonia or treated HTN or DM for your transgender neighbors?? I didn't think so, thus the guy with the "don't judge" line can judge that.

And back to the OP----I played golf with a transgender individual (male--->female). He/she was hitting their drives 280-300. At least he/she didn't play the yellow tees with all the other "girls".

[Byte1]

To get back onto the subject; I wonder how women feel about this. Considering the fact that men should have NO say, metaphorically speaking, since we are speaking of Women's sports, I think it is totally up to the females of this country to dictate how this should act out. Do women think progressively to the point that they welcome men(?) that appear to be women into their cadre? Do they feel that they can compete in a female based genre sport with male hormone, male birthed individual that prefers to dress as a female? Just wondering. Maybe they like the idea of competing with a she/male(? no slur intended) in hopes of reveling in knowing that they beat a competitor that is for all intents and purposes still considered physically a male to the females in the competition. On the other hand, how many females would consider it "fair" to have to compete with what they might consider a male in a female sport? This really has nothing to do with which bathroom someone uses, or sexual preference. This is about sports.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by DanBrew

No, Bill14574, it is very simple. When you are born, you are created with X and Y chromosomes, also known as the sex chromosomes, which determine the biological sex of an individual: females inherit an X chromosome from the father for a XX genotype, while males inherit a Y chromosome from the father for a XY genotype (mothers only pass on X chromosomes). Now, if you want to act as if that science doesn't exist, that is your free will to do that. However, this is not an emotional situation, it is a fact. Please don't impose emotions on others who don't deserve it.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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Well, the landscape of Mens/Womens pro sports has a challenge, perhaps not totally new, but certainly will escalate in the future.

NEWS>>>
So much for fairness: Transgender woman golfer wins mini-tour event, aims for LPGA

Last week, Hailey Davidson, a transgender woman, won her first professional title in Florida, topping LPGA player Perrine Delacour for the win.

The same day, she was sent an email by the USGA saying she’s met the organization’s Gender Policy eligibility criteria and can now compete in its championships and she’s hoping to hear similar news from the LPGA via a reciprocity agreement, according to Golfweek.

In January, Ms. Davidson underwent gender reassignment surgery, and she’s been undergoing hormone treatments since 2015. Since transitioning, Ms. Davidson said she hits shorter and swings slower — yet she still was born a man, and obviously, has a physical advantage over biological women.

The science in these cases is clear. Biological men have more muscle mass, larger hearts and lungs, and therefore greater stamina than biological women. Their bones are bigger, and their testosterone helps promote muscle memory — that doesn’t go away even after hormone therapy. Therefore, transgender girls have a heightened ability to build strength even after they’ve transitioned.


Entire article link (BTW, reported by many sources)>

Transgender woman golfer wins mini-tour event, aims for LPGA - Washington Times

Before/After photos>

I wonder if Biblical morality is considered "political" for purposes of posting in this forum. Well, I guess I'll find out soon enough.

The fact is that HE is not a woman.

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. (Genesis 1:27)

A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God. (Deuteronomy 22:5)

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10, KJV)

God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33)

The transgender agenda encourages and exploits confusion. It is NOT good for those who consider themselves transgendered.

The transgender movement is destructive to society and that includes female sports.

The trend we have seen in the USA from its leadership in Washington, D.C. this month is not good.

But it is consistent with the type of immorality expected for the last days (cf. 1 Timothy 3:1-15; Romans 1:18-32).

Political correctness and immorality run amok.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by bobdeb

Seriously, you 'guys' (males) out there are worrying too much about this.

Eventually, women are going to take care of this themselves as the 'unfairness' and social acceptance diminishes. Girl power.

So, what do the ladies out there posting here feel about competing against transgenders in athletic events? Has your daughter or granddaughter lost out on a scholarship yet?

Would love to hear from the female's perspective.

Straight from the horse's mouth...

3 Connecticut high school girls are suing over a policy that allows trans athletes to compete in girls' sports - CNN

[Two Bills]

Lets hope Bryson DeChambeau dosn't go all Victorias Secret, and get on the LPGA Tour!