[DeanFL]

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>another example of this issue>>>NEWS>


Chelsea Mitchell: Girl was 'fastest' runner in Connecticut until she was forced to compete with trans athletes
Chelsea Mitchell, in an op-ed in USA Today, said repeated losses to biologically male athletes chip 'away at women’s confidence' May 26, 2021

Once upon a time, former high school track athlete Chelsea Mitchell was the "fastest girl in Connecticut". But that changed when the Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic Conference (CIAC) allowed transgender girls to compete in women's sports.

Mitchell has now said that competing against transgender female athletes who were born male was "devastating" to her confidence and opportunities. It urged her and three other athletes to file a case against CIAC last year. Writing an op-ed in USA Today, she pledged to continue her legal battle to ban biological males from girls’ sports.

"That’s a devastating experience. It tells me that I’m not good enough; that my body isn’t good enough; and that no matter how hard I work, I am unlikely to succeed, because I’m a woman," she added.

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Chelsea Mitchell: Girl was 'fastest' runner in Connecticut until she was forced to compete with trans athletes | MEAWW
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[lkagele]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I don't see why not. Any sport can be divided by something OTHER than gender. If females have a lower capacity for brute strength, then you can have a "lower strength" league. Like you have bantam-weight and lightweight fighting matches. You wouldn't pit a heavyweight fighter with a bantam-weight fighter. Why not? They're all male aren't they? So why aren't they all fighting each other? Because it wouldn't be much of a fight. Because the fights are matched based on weight, not on gender.

But I'll bet if you chose to select teams based on ability, rather than gender, you'd come up with a decent mix of people. And sure - one set of teams might end up being all men. But it wouldn't be required that their gender be male. It would simply be the natural result of selecting by ability. They'd compete against each other NOT because they're men, but because they all fit within a certain standard of ability. And if it just so happens that you get a woman, or a transgender, or a hermaphrodite, or someone who claims no gender at all, who is able to bat home runs better than Hank Aaron, well then you should be grateful she/they/he is in your league and not be too concerned that their genitals look different from yours.

If you can do A, B, and C proficiently, then you are in THIS league.
If you can do A, B, and C only moderately, then you are in THAT league.
If you can do A, B, and C excellently, you belong in THAT OTHER league.

All are open to any gender, no gender, unsure gender, whatever gender. Gender ceases to matter.

This is wrong on so many levels. Biologically, there are 2 genders and like it or not, the male gender is stronger and faster. Your proposal ensures 99% + of all females will not be involved in sports. How long do you think a young female will actually pursue competitive sports when they are getting their butts kicked by the physically superior males? My guess is 99% would stop trying to participate against males by the 6th grade.

[DeanFL]

Originally Posted by lkagele

This is wrong on so many levels. Biologically, there are 2 genders and like it or not, the male gender is stronger and faster. Your proposal ensures 99% + of all females will not be involved in sports. How long do you think a young female will actually pursue competitive sports when they are getting their butts kicked by the physically superior males? My guess is 99% would stop trying to participate against males by the 6th grade.

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Yep. For ANYONE who may feel this is a 'stupid' topic please review my update post -#226. And ask yourself if SHE was a member of YOUR Family or Friends - would you really believe this is 'stupid' or inconsequential?

This truly angers me - how awful for our young kids to try to compete if these are the 'new' rules?
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[drducat]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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Yep. For ANYONE who may feel this is a 'stupid' topic please review my update post -#226. And ask yourself if SHE was a member of YOUR Family or Friends - would you really believe this is 'stupid' or inconsequential?

This truly angers me - how awful for our young kids to try to compete if these are the 'new' rules?
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Agree.....What ever happened to treatment for gender dysphoria.....needs to be enforced...this is out of control and ruins many lives...their own and others.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by drducat

Agree.....What ever happened to treatment for gender dysphoria.....needs to be enforced...this is out of control and ruins many lives...their own and others.

Yes, because people whose biology differs from how they identify should not cause distress.

Although, I'm guessing you are totally misunderstanding what gender dysphoria is, and assigning it a meaning it doesn't have.

Gender dysphoria is not the phenomenon of feeling like you're one gender, while actually being another.

Gender dysphoria is being UPSET about feeling you're one gender, while actually being another.

Go ahead and google/bing/duck-duck-go it.

[fdpaq0580]

Very interesting topic.
To me, you are what your DNA says you are. Gender reassignment surgery does not change your true sex unless it changes your DNA. If your DNA is the same as before, then the surgery was in truth "body modification" surgery. People have body modification to try and change themselves to look like all kinds of things( cats, monkeys, even deer with horns or demons, etc.). Nose jobs, boob jobs, and more. Body modification to make themselves feel better about themselves.
Hormone injections may alter hair growth, implant rejection, but unless the DNA has been altered , the sex has not been changed.
IMHO, body modification nor mind/body altering injections (doping?) should not play a part in which league or team one is allowed to play. DNA should be the deciding factor.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The hormones are the deal-breaker. In order for a biological female to transform to a surgical male, she has to get hormones. That's what gives her facial hair, certain muscle definition that women don't have, the cessation of menstrual cycles and all the mood swings that go with them.

You're basically telling them that they have to continue to suppress and pretend that they are what their genitalia are forcing them to be. That's not a solution. That's where we are now.

their genetic endowment is who they are, a maladjustment tells them something different, ones genetics male or female make for profound pervasive differences across the board how far do we go to make people feel good about a maladjustment ?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by lkagele

This is wrong on so many levels. Biologically, there are 2 genders and like it or not, the male gender is stronger and faster. Your proposal ensures 99% + of all females will not be involved in sports. How long do you think a young female will actually pursue competitive sports when they are getting their butts kicked by the physically superior males? My guess is 99% would stop trying to participate against males by the 6th grade.

The 1st poster said why NOT try 3 levels of co-ed leagues? It works that way in tennis and softball here in TV Land.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The 1st poster said why NOT try 3 levels of co-ed leagues? It works that way in tennis and softball here in TV Land.

Here's why not: because it might actually work, and that would diminish some peoples' fears and loathing of anything that doesn't fit their narrow-minded criteria of "normal." And we can't have that in the Friendliest Hometown in America.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Gracie, this has *nothing* to do with sexual attraction.

This isn't about being gay, lesbian, bisexual. Zilch.

It has to do with gender identity. Being comfortable in your own skin, in your own body. There are transgender women who are lesbians, and transgender women who are hetero. There are also transgender women who are asexual - meaning, they aren't interested in sex at all, with anyone. They are women, because their emotions, thought-processes, mentality, how they perceive themselves, is that of a female not a male. Their biology doesn't match EVERYTHING ELSE about them. And so rather than change WHO they are inside, to match WHAT they are outside, they change the WHAT so they can remain the WHO.

It's very strange to me, and it makes me uncomfortable to consider that anyone would be that way, or have surgery to change their biology. But I'm not their judge, it's not my place to tell them they're wrong. They know how they feel, and they're the ones who have to live in their skin. Just like some folks get botox and belly tucks and face-lifts and brazillian butt-lifts and cheek implants and dentures when they get older because they want to deny or defy aging and look as young as they feel.

Some people do the same thing with their sexual organs to match how they feel.

It's weird to me, but I accept it.

Sad that so many people are horrified by the concept that they can't accept that someone ELSE needs to present themselves in the way they feel, just because it doesn't fit with what THEY think that person should be. It's not up to anyone else to determine whether John needs to be Jane. It's up to John.

I feel that John can be Jane if they want to. I would just like to see it happen ONLY after some (?) certain age - because it requires a MATURE decision.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Here's why not: because it might actually work, and that would diminish some peoples' fears and loathing of anything that doesn't fit their narrow-minded criteria of "normal." And we can't have that in the Friendliest Hometown in America.

Real "friendly" response you got there...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The 1st poster said why NOT try 3 levels of co-ed leagues? It works that way in tennis and softball here in TV Land.

Oh, I don't know...

Maybe because we're not discussing recreational co-ed leagues?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by bobdeb

Yes, it was initially about LPGA golf, but this post has evolved.

I am not aware of any gender specific softball leagues in TV. Neighborhood softball on Saturdays is often coed.

TV 'men's' leagues are comprised of Divisions with teams within. There are a finite number of players on each team. Typically 12.
Managers traft players based on criteria such as ability and statistics. Other factors of a personal nature come into play. Such as friends, golf or poker buddies. Whatever.

The result is that not everyone who signs up gets on a team. They can substitute or elect to move down to a lower division that must accept them, for one season only.

It can be a cold experience for some players to be 'rejected'.

Point being does a physically gifted transgender qualify to knock of a woman in a 'women's' league? I'm sure it's all kumbaya until someone gets booted off.

I have experienced just THAT cold experience in softball. A lot of politics and "good buddy stuff" among managers.