[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Heyitsrick

[snip](and the forum software really should have a "snip" or "...read more" for longer quotes),[snip]

The forum software doesn't need to provide it. You can do it yourself.

That brings me to reiterate my previous points about this thread:

Some people are saying "get with the times, do this online" but they can't even manage to figure out how to edit a quoted post.

How about they learn how to use a simple community forum, before chastizing ANYONE who might not be as much of a genius as they are when it comes to online banking and bill paying. You (not necessarily you personally - this is the "editorial you") want everyone to get with the times? You first.

[Raton270]

We’ve had some good people running the USPS and the problem still exists. Amtrak is the postal system’s cousin and both the responsibility of our government.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by BarryD

Please get your facts straight before making claims.
Some people still receive their benefits the old fashioned way, thanks to mail delivery.

Nearly 550,000 people are receiving paper Social Security checks in August, according to Social Security Administration data. That number goes up to about 848,000 if you include Supplemental Security Income.

But the vast majority — over 63 million — access their benefits via direct deposit.

This makes an interesting point about voting by mail. Over the years we have had a small minority of people casting absentee votes. Those that were out of the country at the time or incapacitated and couldn't get to the polls. USPS could easily handle this small number of ballots.

But when it is being suggested that ballots are mailed to every voter in the country and they are all being encouraged to vote by mail, the sheer volume of those ballots is going to create a problem.

Think about this. What if next month, the post office was required to handle all 63 million Social Security checks. How many problems do you think there would be? Twice that number of people are expected to vote in the presidential election.

I realize that we have the electoral college but the popular vote is often won by 2% or less. Would you think that less than 2% of the votes might get lost or destroyed.

I'm not even talking about voter fraud, which may also be increased by a system of mail in votes, but just a simple error rate by and organization that is already stressed.

The more ballots that are mailed the more chances of there being errors. Heck, we have problems counting the votes that are cast in person. Mail in voting will only make that much worse.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

This makes an interesting point about voting by mail. Over the years we have had a small minority of people casting absentee votes. Those that were out of the country at the time or incapacitated and couldn't get to the polls. USPS could easily handle this small number of ballots.

But when it is being suggested that ballots are mailed to every voter in the country and they are all being encouraged to vote by mail, the sheer volume of those ballots is going to create a problem.

Think about this. What if next month, the post office was required to handle all 63 million Social Security checks. How many problems do you think there would be? Twice that number of people are expected to vote in the presidential election.

I realize that we have the electoral college but the popular vote is often won by 2% or less. Would you think that less than 2% of the votes might get lost or destroyed.

I'm not even talking about voter fraud, which may also be increased by a system of mail in votes, but just a simple error rate by and organization that is already stressed.

The more ballots that are mailed the more chances of there being errors. Heck, we have problems counting the votes that are cast in person. Mail in voting will only make that much worse.

Other than time, I would be interested to have examples of "Heck, we have problems counting the votes that are cast in person" Where, When.....been delays in getting accurate results, for sure.

Thanks

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Why not? Been a worsening problem for years never a good time to fix.

Govt has been kicking the can down the road for social security. Never a good time to fix that either.

Again, are you speaking of voter fraud, which is controlled by individual states and has shown no problems.

Or are you speaking of the PO ? Why fire the Postmaster General now....why dismiss the top operational people now, and why appoint someone with Zero experience. Why now ?

[Dianne1449]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I wish people would stop saying that the USPS delivers Social Security checks. They don't. All payments are made by direct deposit. It's mandatory.

They do however use USPS to send award letters every year that are required for certain financial transactions.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Again, are you speaking of voter fraud, which is controlled by individual states and has shown no problems.

Or are you speaking of the PO ? Why fire the Postmaster General now....why dismiss the top operational people now, and why appoint someone with Zero experience. Why now ?

I am speaking of the post office itself. Always thought it was greatly mismanaged and after reading the entire thread with quite a few comments from long term employees seem like the whole thing she be changed and brought up to current times and reducing management to a more normal level for a business.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

I am speaking of the post office itself. Always thought it was greatly mismanaged and after reading the entire thread with quite a few comments from long term employees seem like the whole thing she be changed and brought up to current times and reducing management to a more normal level for a business.

I see....so firing an experienced person in that job 2 months ago, assigning the job who knows nothing about the job, allowing the firing of many or most experienced operations managers, beginning the dismantling of sorters, among other things (such as requiring delivery the same day as you take out the mail) while having the country worry about an election on which it appears we would depend greatly on the established system, was just the fix, and in two months brought it "up to current times" ?

Well, that certainly answers the question.....why now.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Other than time, I would be interested to have examples of "Heck, we have problems counting the votes that are cast in person" Where, When.....been delays in getting accurate results, for sure.

Thanks

Boxes of ballots lost or misplaced, later found in the trunk of a car. Don't you remember? As a matter of fact, during a recent election one county had a major glitch in the counting of ballots and I believe someone was fired over it. Lost ballots happen all the time, and there was a time where a candidate was declared a winner and absentee votes were not counted before he was declared.
Mail in voting is behind the times. We have technology and snail mail should be a last resort not a preference.

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I do recall in 2018 a box of "ballots" found in a car.....found not to be, but got Florida headlines. Remember it well..very well.

Low rates of fraud in vote-by-mail states show the benefits outweigh the risks

The States do a great job, and even reports or claims of fraud have drizzled out. So many safeguards today.

The 'voter fraud' fraud | TheHill

It was in 2016
Election Fraud Is a Nonpartisan Issue. These Cases From Florida Prove It. | The Heritage Foundation
Three in Florida, Virginia charged with voter fraud - Reuters

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

It was in 2016
Election Fraud Is a Nonpartisan Issue. These Cases From Florida Prove It. | The Heritage Foundation
Three in Florida, Virginia charged with voter fraud - Reuters

On the Reuters link...good job by all. Arrests made no harm, and that is by far the typical.

On Heritage, sorry I gave up totally in that group awhile back, but appreciate you showing the infinitely small number of cases, and it keeps shrinking.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Originally Posted by J1ceasar

It's hard to imagine the politicians have screwed up yet another thing that was working fine. 99% how the problem is a law requiring pensions be fully funded for USPS. We will have heard about Amazon getting a great deal for delivery packages but do you know until this year the international Postal Union then we belong to required us to accept Chinese mailed packages for as low as $0.50 going 12,000 miles to our homes but our own postage a 1000 times more going to China???

Amazon did not get a deal. They actually gave a lot of business to the USPS until it became political. Amazon bought their own fleet of trucks for deliveries.

[Lindsyburnsy]

I cast one absentee vote during election, yet I mail out 200 Christmas cards each year. Never been a problem for the USPS.

QUOTE=Dr Winston O Boogie jr;1821113]This makes an interesting point about voting by mail. Over the years we have had a small minority of people casting absentee votes. Those that were out of the country at the time or incapacitated and couldn't get to the polls. USPS could easily handle this small number of ballots.

But when it is being suggested that ballots are mailed to every voter in the country and they are all being encouraged to vote by mail, the sheer volume of those ballots is going to create a problem.

Think about this. What if next month, the post office was required to handle all 63 million Social Security checks. How many problems do you think there would be? Twice that number of people are expected to vote in the presidential election.

I realize that we have the electoral college but the popular vote is often won by 2% or less. Would you think that less than 2% of the votes might get lost or destroyed.

I'm not even talking about voter fraud, which may also be increased by a system of mail in votes, but just a simple error rate by and organization that is already stressed.

The more ballots that are mailed the more chances of there being errors. Heck, we have problems counting the votes that are cast in person. Mail in voting will only make that much worse.[/QUOTE]

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy

Amazon did not get a deal. They actually gave a lot of business to the USPS until it became political. Amazon bought their own fleet of trucks for deliveries.

Most of the stuff we get from Amazon does come via USPS.

When you buy some thing for $ 10 and it comes within one day with no additional shipping cost nobody can be paying much of the actual delivery cost.

[BarryD]

Funding $25 billion to USPS (as voted in the House) would cost us $75 per person. This is not the thing that will destroy your grandchildren. Again, the postal service is funded and run by the government all over the world. The legislation that switched USPS to self-funding was ____________.