Yeah, but if you "brandish" that baseball bat, in a threatening manner, all bets are off...

Same with a holstered weapon...

You are incorrect in your statement. There are other countries (as in Africa & South America) in the world that require visas and vaccinations for entry. The vaccinations may be for other deseases that are a problem in their country (such as Yellow Fever). You can count on the fact that to travel internationally, you will be required proof of vaccination or desease recovery from Covid-19. Simply testing negative (usually within a 3-7 day period) is not a sufficient indication of your being desease free.

How are you holstering an AR-15, or a shotgun? Those are LEGAL to carry in some states.

Not that it has anything to do with vaccine passports but...

A business does not have to give up ITS rights in order to protect yours.

I never mentioned either of those, now did I?

But nice attempt at diversion...

I also never said that a business can't ask you not to carry in their store.

I simply said that refusal to comply will only result in a "trespassing" charge, at most...

Reading is fundamental...

Because they could give it to other people who have not yet been vaccinated, or the 10% who have been but are unfortunately the few who are not really protected.

Well, after your dead, I know you are able to vote. So why wouldn't you be able to file a claim? :ho:

Without a quote, there is no idea what you are referring to.

I have noticed that people are getting vaccinated because they see that the future will close doors on them if they're not. Not necessarily because they want to.

Almost everyone has accepted that a private business and/or public venues can institute and enforce a "no shirt, no shoes, no service" policy. Why should a "no Covid passport, no service" - be any different?

As others have pointed out, you don't need a foreign substance injected into your body to wear a shirt or shoes

I'd like to see how quickly the far left switches positions if there was a proposal to force inmates to get the vaccine or no conjugal visits? The ACLU would take a supersonic transport to the courthouse to get an injunction.

HIPPA protections...

NOT a good decision on your part. That shot could have prevented this adverse reaction and the lasting effects you are having. Don't come on to a public forum and complain about an adverse reaction when you refused treatment.

One can not travel internationally without a US passport. In fact, no one can travel internationally without a passport from their country to prove their citizenship. Why can't a vaccine passport be done as safely and honestly as a passport to prove citizenship? '

Here is a great example of allowing vaccinated people to have more freedoms than un-vaccinated people........Disney World, as someone mentioned upthread, can check for proof of vaccination then issue an arm band to the vaccinated person. That armband is the "passport" for that person to traverse everywhere on the Disney grounds, indoors and outdoors, WITHOUT a mask. Every person without that armband must wear a mask while anywhere on the Disney World grounds. THAT is what I wish for. DeSantis has made that impossible at this point. As long as Disney requires masks, I will not be going to Disney World.

And there we have it, an "example" to lose freedoms..............what other examples would you like to give? Where would those "examples" end?

How about this explanation......
If DeSantis would just stay out of it, the establishments of any kind in the state of Florida can do as they wish when it comes to requiring a vaccine passport or not requiring a vaccine passport to render services.

I wish DeSantis would just stay out of it!

So now you want the government to "stay out of it" when it fits your wants and needs. You can't make this crap up!

I get your point but those diseases you mentioned or any other communicable disease for that matter, is not currently causing a global pandemic. There is the difference.

THIS is why I want to be assured that the person sitting next to me on an airplane on a domestic or international flight has been vaccinated.

That is just the beginning>>>>>>>>>>>

Aren't the few that are "not really protected" may get Covid but will not have severe symptoms requiring hospitalization and will not die. That is my understanding. So, to me, everyone who is vaccinated is offered protection.

HIPAA laws are to protect an individual's privacy but an individual may divulge their medical history if they wish to do so.

So......if a vaccinated person would like to produce a vaccine passport to board a cruise ship, let's say, they are within their rights to do so. HIPAA has nothing to do with that.

You are wrong about HIPAA [not HIPPA]
There is absolutely no violation of HIPAA if you disclose your own health information which is what would happen in the situation described.

EDIT Oh I see as I was typing the correct information was being posted.

They are endless, actually. I'm not saying these limitations will last forever. I'm sure they won't for your sake.

I have been very verbal about not agreeing with our governor. I think the businesses should have the say as to how they wish to handle this pandemic going forward. There should be no government intervention. Isn't that conservative way of thinking?

I usually find that golfing eagles is medically accurate even if we differ on some politics. But this post is simply wrong in the one fact, as opposed to opinion, it contained:

Polio is not making a comeback. There are two broad categories of people getting polio. One is the wild virus which is the traditional case of polio that the Salk and Sabin vaccines were designed to eliminate. There are three strains of wild polio conveniently called type 1, 2, or 3. All 3 strains are contained in both vaccines. In the oral vaccine the virus is alive but very weakened so that it is extremely rare but not impossible that someone who gets the vaccine can get real active polio from the vaccine. In the polio shot the virus is dead and cannot cause disease.

If someone gets polio from the vaccine it is called vaccine derived polio VDP. If it is wild polio then WPV.

Here are the data for the week ending March 31, 2021:

Summary of new WPV and cVDPV viruses this week (AFP cases and ES positives): AFP mean acute flaccid paralysis, or clinical polio, ES means environmental sample, they tested the water and found vaccine polio in the water

Afghanistan: five cVDPV2 cases and two cVDPV2 positive environmental samples
Pakistan: two WPV1 and one cVDPV2 positive environmental samples
Côte d’Ivoire: 34 cVDPV2 positive environmental samples
Guinea: one cVDPV2 positive environmental sample
Liberia: three cVDPV2 positive environmental samples
*****: one cVDPV2 positive environmental sample Really censor? This is a country in Africa N i g e r
Senegal: two cVDPV2 cases and one positive environmental sample
South Sudan: three cVDPV2 positive environmental samples

So the only cases of wild polio in the entire world last week were two in Pakistan where there is now a huge issue getting the fundamental Islamic areas to accept vaccines as they believe vaccines are a Western biological warfare agent. Funny about people believing such wrong things about vaccines isn't it.

In Afghanistan there were 5 people diagnosed with polio they caught from being vaccinated.

The total wild polio cases for 2020 were:
Afghanistan 56
Pakistan 84

No other country in the world has had a single case of wild polio in either 2019, 2020 or 2021. For comparison in 1988 there were an estimated 350,000 cases of wild polio in the world. No, polio is not making a comeback.

You believe our country fought for the freedom to not get a vaccine? Do our soldiers get a choice not to get required vaccines? Did our Revolutionary War leader and first President, George Washington, force his soldiers to get smallpox prevention? Yes he did. Did he establish a regulation that no person from Boston where there was a smallpox epidemic be allowed to travel to where his troops were encamped, yes he did. So please, General Washington set up a rule where people at risk of having a contagious disease could not freely travel. Sound familiar? Just a little bit?

Don't tell me America was founded so that people can refuse vaccines and still do whatever they please because of "freedumb" Read history and learn.

"Can't wait to see what is next"
 

You are so right, anti vaxxers could have limitations on travel, stadiums, etc...BUT...then again, those who have been vaccinated may need more vaccinations to deal with variants, or, maybe loose their health because the vaccine has limited their own natural immune system to protect them form other viruses. Yes, we all can't wait to see what is next.

Endless limitations on our freedoms? You have no idea of the repercussions in that way of thinking.

Now you want no government intervention?? Now you want business's to have their say? That so special also. You would raise holy hell if a business denied you access because you were vaccinated and they don't believe in it. Like I said.. when something suits your purpose you are OK with it.....and damn everyone else.

War?
 

Since you are asking questions, here's one for you: Do you know that in times of war drastic measures may be employed for the war effort? Further, do you know that, right now, we are not at war? So, you go ahead and call others, "Freedumb", but I'll live my life under the guise of someone much smarter than I, to quote..."Those who sacrifice freedom for some sort of security end up with neither", and, "The loss of freedom will be replaced with panic and hording"
Sound familiar? Just a little bit?

I did not know any of what you said but I appreciate the history lesson. Thank you.

There is a mass vaccination effort globally to get this pandemic on its knees. I honestly feel the virologists, immunologists and the pharmaceutical companies who have developed these vaccines have not and will not cause harm to so many people on this massive scale.

I do believe these vaccines are safe for humans. Wouldn't the vaccine developers know if these vaccines could possibly have any effect at all to damage immune systems? I believe they do know that no harm can be done to the human immune system. The RNA is eliminated from the body within a very short time (hours). How can harm be derived?

The limitations can be for the short term as I said they probably won't last forever; just the amount of time it takes to get this pandemic under control. There is nothing wrong with limitations for un-vaccinated people for the sake of public health. It is already starting so there is that.

This is my opinion of course.

Well, I look at it this way......the folks who are refusing to be vaccinated in this mass effort to achieve herd immunity are also damning everyone else who are doing their part. There are two ways to look at it.

Hitler, 1933

You are a physician. I do not understand why you are not more of a proponent for humanity to err on the safe side for the sake of public health.

The undisputed fact is, no one knows for sure, only time will tell. You believe what you want to believe, as well all will do.

I think you misunderstand. I am 100% in favor of everyone getting vaccinated, I am under 65 so had to wait, but now I have an appointment for tomorrow. I favor masks indoors when social distancing cannot be guaranteed.

245 years ago we sent a letter to George III delineating certain rights and freedoms that we believed in, in 1787 we immortalized them in our constitution. Most of that document limited what GOVERNMENT can and cannot do

There have been certain situations where we play loose and free with that document---wartime, pandemics, Japanese-American internment camps, pre civil rights South, etc., all in the name of "the greater good" The problem is WHO gets to decide the greater good.

You are free to argue the severity of this pandemic and quote numbers, but IMHO, compared with pandemics of the past, this is a minor event. Spanish flu 1918-19----50-100 million dead. Black Death of 1347---60% of Europe dead. Justinian plague of 541-49---30% of the population dead. I just don't believe that the draconian response that we have had so far, much less future regulations and edicts, are justified.

Bottom line: You and I are in the same book and same chapter, just on a slightly different page.

Congratulations on getting your appointment for vaccination. I really do enjoy reading your posts and have a great appreciation for your contributions to this forum. Thank you!

I never said it did...

I was specifically talking about REQUIRING a Vaccine Passport... Which is what the entire thread is about...

No, you're wrong, as well... (And sorry for the typo...)

I deal with HIPAA daily, I know exactly what it is...

This thread is about REQUIRING a Vaccine Passport. Not choosing to disclose the information...