Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1923798)

You need to stop posting this. It is absolutely untrue. There has never been a vaccine for either SARS or MERS. There were attempts to create a vaccine for them, but they were unsuccessful. It is true that both SARS and MERS were Coronaviruses, but it is also true that without a vaccine SARS lasted less than 2 years and the MERS outbreak lasted less than 3 years...

Originally Posted by lpkruege1 (Post 1924135)

I can't believe that we would put something so racist into existence. Your poorer communities may not have the funds for the vaccine

Originally Posted by jbrown132 (Post 1923805)

In this case I totally support what the Governor says. Every time the government does something like this we give up some of our freedoms. It allows the government to track out movements and infringes on doctor patient confidentiality. What’s next, a flu passport, a polio passport, a measles passport for kids to go to school etc. Enough is enough.

Originally Posted by jamorela (Post 1923809)

For those of you who feel no one should be allowed to travel without the vaccine... I got the first shot. Had an allergic reaction (immediate rash on face and arms.). I have had an anaphylactic response to a drug in the past. Three doctors and a nurse recommended that I do not get the second shot because “it is not worth the risk!” So, I didn’t. So, should I not be allowed to do something I love? PS: My cheeks and chin have a permanent rosy color to them since that shot on January 4. It’s like they have been permanently burned.

Originally Posted by Tbrazie (Post 1924133)

Flu about 60,000 a year since 2010. Not saying that Covid is not a huge pandemic, but keep to the facts as reported by CDC. Also keep in mind that every Covid death is reported. The Flu data is estimated. Still, don't downplay the flu. Just saying.

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1923815)

So, they are required to ask you if you've had an anaphylactic response in the past.. If you have, then you get the J&J vaccine. Only the Moderna and Pfizer give that response.

So, you didn't mention that to them when they asked? It is right on the paper they gave you with your card as well..

Originally Posted by SusanKD (Post 1923824)

I’m against having to carry a proof vaccination. Next thing you know their will be other restrictions on where we allow to go or do base on government decision not our own.

Originally Posted by DeeCee Dubya (Post 1923827)

I am much more afraid of the eagerness of citizens all over the world to blindly and unquestionably bow to government bureaucrats than I am of any virus.

Also consider this; if you know anything about biology you’ll know that viruses constantly mutate and adapt to threats ie. Vaccines. And COVID-19 will be no different. So you better get ready for re-vaccinations about every flu season from now on.

This is nothing more than a garden-variety flu virus which many healthcare experts confirm. It has been used as a proxy for government to control every aspect of human life and justify their own parasitic existence. People wake up please.

Originally Posted by Mike193534 (Post 1923831)

I don’t understand this. If I have covid and wear a mask, you don’t have covid and don’t wear a mask is my mask protecting you? If this is true does this mean if I have covid and don’t wear a mask and you don’t have covid and wear a mask the mask is NOT protecting you? How is the mask only keeping covid inside mask but it allows covid to enter a mask? Are these masks one-way?

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1924235)

Just wondering if Epinephrine was administered to you. Sorry you are suffering with this adverse reaction.

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1924184)

Somehow you are trying to represent the governor’s position against a vaccine passport as more government interference as opposed to less. That is the spin I am referring to. I did not comment on the pros or cons of a vaccine passport, just on your assertion that the governor’s stance is somehow more government regulation...

Originally Posted by jmintzer5 (Post 1923839)

Biden is now calling on Governors to re-instate or start a "mask mandate"...

So yeah, he want's us to HAVE to wear masks... For how long? No one knows...

Originally Posted by jamorela (Post 1924252)

It was not. They wanted to give me a shot of something but I would have to be transported to the hospital. I declined.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1924232)

I do not agree with you or our governor. Public Health is at the helm of these vaccine passports for a disease that has caused a 100 year global pandemic. Enough is enough with this talk about showing proof of vaccination is infringement on our freedoms. Hogwash!

All my opinion, of course.

Originally Posted by Andyw (Post 1923871)

Today vaccination passport Tomorrow passport to leave your home. Too much government control.

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1923512)

I'd like to respectfully throw something out there for discussion and perhaps we can learn a bit from each other.

Our governor has said he will prohibit vaccine passports which would require us to prove we've been vaccinated in order to gain access to some businesses, offices, or restaurants.

I find it interesting because it speaks to how we all want the best for our country; we just approach it in different ways. Conservatives are not fond of government interference in general, but they support this proposal to ban vaccine passports. Liberals are generally okay with government regulation but do indeed want a vaccine passport which DeSantis is opposing, and as such, DeSantis is in favor of imposing government regulation.

Just goes to show modern American life is not all cut and dried. We all have to give a little.

If you want to respond but feel the need to be belligerent or snarky, please move on to the next thread. Thanks.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Says He'll Ban Vaccine Passports

Originally Posted by jmintzer5 (Post 1923904)

500K people died "with" Covid, not "due to" Covid...

Originally Posted by BettyInFL (Post 1924262)

I would have to agree. I've had Covid (March 2020), I've had the vaccines. Why do I have to continued to be punished? If YOU still feel vulnerable, stay home, mask up, or wear a hazmat suit. Up to you. Not MY problem.

I don't read anywhere in the constitution about a right to 'feel' safe.

Originally Posted by Buckeye Bleau (Post 1923931)

Great point but the facts are a little lacking.

Let us use CDC’s own numbers back in 8/2020. It had been reported that about 165,000 people in the USA expired from COVID-19. CDC admitted that the tabulation criteria were wrong and only about 6% of those were C-19 deaths. The remainder were folks who died and the pathogen was found in their blood. So the number was actually less than 10,000.
Now coupled that with testing that had up to 40% false positives and if further reduces the number. Don’t believe it? Well a week after the inauguration the CDC and the WHO recommended changes in the testing to reduce the number of false positives in the interest of improved accuracy.
You don’t hear much of that in the mass media do you?

You see they are using numbers from an inaccurate testing system and they purposely utilize the wrong words. They should be using “died WITH C-19 in their system” NOT “died FROM C-19”. There is a difference and they know it.
EVEN WITH THE BAD TESTS, 99% of those who contract it, recover, conclusion, we surrendered our freedom, our rights and our economy for something with less than 1% fatality rate AND that is IF you get this 5% contagion pathogen.

The Office of Management & Budget has investigated the CDC reporting anc found ghat they created their own reporting system for C-19 which is a violation of at least two legislative acts and this is why the CDC since late last year has been revising the numbers. But still the media is not covering those releases.

Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1923881)

I never said they were unsafe or implied anything I simply corrected the statement that the vaccines are FDA approved, as they are not and that is not “nonsense!”

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1923512)

I'd like to respectfully throw something out there for discussion and perhaps we can learn a bit from each other.

Our governor has said he will prohibit vaccine passports which would require us to prove we've been vaccinated in order to gain access to some businesses, offices, or restaurants.

I find it interesting because it speaks to how we all want the best for our country; we just approach it in different ways. Conservatives are not fond of government interference in general, but they support this proposal to ban vaccine passports. Liberals are generally okay with government regulation but do indeed want a vaccine passport which DeSantis is opposing, and as such, DeSantis is in favor of imposing government regulation.

Just goes to show modern American life is not all cut and dried. We all have to give a little.

If you want to respond but feel the need to be belligerent or snarky, please move on to the next thread. Thanks.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Says He'll Ban Vaccine Passports

Originally Posted by stevesliders (Post 1923963)

Why would anyone support a person who has no regard for your health and well being.

Originally Posted by MrWilson (Post 1923976)

Businesses and govt forcing a citizen to ingest any chemical, drug or chip is wrong.
When do individuals get their “ inalienable right” to be free.
Govt telling us to drug up is bad , businesses are intolerable

Originally Posted by Heyitsrick (Post 1924020)

Funny thing, that "freedom to choose whom they serve" notion. You must mean it's ok for a company to enforce a policy such as "we don't serve Englishmen here" or some such, right? That's the "freedom" you're referring to?

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1924253)

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Your mileage, of course, may vary. (I wonder if the young'uns even know what that means.)

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1924281)

How does the airport know this? How do they know that you, of all the hundreds of thousands of people trying to catch a plane that day, are the ONE person not wearing a mask, has had COVID and had the vaccine? How do they know that ALL the other passengers in the airport are safe from you? How do they know that you are NOT the next Typhoid Mary?

Answer: some kind of written certified documentation. Such as, hm, oh I don't know - a passport with a stamp on a page showing the date and type of vaccine you had, maybe.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1924240)

Very true.....I was asked if I have allergies to any medication or vaccines before I was given the Moderna vaccine.

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1923938)

I don't understand the "wow"
Vaccine is basically proven to prevent, getting covid with hospital stay cost insurance thousands. So why should insurance company pay for the whiners that " don't wanna get it".
Unless you have a medical reason for not getting this vaccine that could prevent......well, I say, you are on your own sister.
Ps...same should go for smokers

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1923956)

Oh, trust me...I see the problem, you are right, weight, drug use etc,etc.

But we can't expect our premiums to stay constant while we continue to stretch their bottom line, especially when it only takes a vaccine to avoid, which btw, they are paying for.

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1924001)

Um, read my original post again, jmintzer. The GOP supports the ban on vaccine passports, thereby tolerating the government's interference in the freedom of offices, restaurants and businesses to decide whom they want to serve. This is contrary to conservative principles.

Sorry you misunderstood.

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1924011)

See what I mean? (Yet?!?)

The government, via DeSantis, is trying to control businesses' freedom to choose whom they serve.

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1924035)

Okay, but aren't restaurants, offices and businesses also free to determine who they wish to serve? Otherwise we're interfering with their freedom, which is a conservative no no.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1924240)

Very true.....I was asked if I have allergies to any medication or vaccines before I was given the Moderna vaccine.

Originally Posted by jaj523 (Post 1924309)

I recall having to take a yellow shot record with me whenever I travelled, which documented vaccines against certain illnesses, two of which were smallpox and yellow fever. Can't remember the others. Some countries required it, and others didn't. This wasn't that long ago--seventies and eighties. I don't think these yellow "passports" are still required, but don't know for sure. So such things are nothing new.

Originally Posted by Tbrazie (Post 1924133)

Flu about 60,000 a year since 2010. Not saying that Covid is not a huge pandemic, but keep to the facts as reported by CDC. Also keep in mind that every Covid death is reported. The Flu data is estimated. Still, don't downplay the flu. Just saying.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1924280)

But......how many of those people who died with Covid would still be alive today? Think about it. I have.