[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by tvbound

Almost everyone has accepted that a private business and/or public venues can institute and enforce a "no shirt, no shoes, no service" policy. Why should a "no Covid passport, no service" - be any different?

HIPPA protections...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jamorela

It was not. They wanted to give me a shot of something but I would have to be transported to the hospital. I declined.

NOT a good decision on your part. That shot could have prevented this adverse reaction and the lasting effects you are having. Don't come on to a public forum and complain about an adverse reaction when you refused treatment.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I have no problem with "showing". I have a huge problem with making a piece of paper the requirement for travel, dining, stadiums, etc. It has been pointed out that such a system is not "perfect". The problem is that it is so far from "perfect" as to be useless.

One can not travel internationally without a US passport. In fact, no one can travel internationally without a passport from their country to prove their citizenship. Why can't a vaccine passport be done as safely and honestly as a passport to prove citizenship? '

Here is a great example of allowing vaccinated people to have more freedoms than un-vaccinated people........Disney World, as someone mentioned upthread, can check for proof of vaccination then issue an arm band to the vaccinated person. That armband is the "passport" for that person to traverse everywhere on the Disney grounds, indoors and outdoors, WITHOUT a mask. Every person without that armband must wear a mask while anywhere on the Disney World grounds. THAT is what I wish for. DeSantis has made that impossible at this point. As long as Disney requires masks, I will not be going to Disney World.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Here is a great example of allowing vaccinated people to have more freedoms than un-vaccinated people........

And there we have it, an "example" to lose freedoms..............what other examples would you like to give? Where would those "examples" end?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

...and thereby being subject to government regulation. The businesses would be under the government's thumb and be forced to do what the government wants them to do...and that is refrain from requiring a vaccine passport. I'm agreeing with what you're saying. I don't see the contradiction, it's what I've been saying all along.

And the bigger issue and the real theme of this thread is that the action of regulating what businesses can and cannot do, which DeSantis is advocating, is contrary to conservative principles. This conundrum is the heart of the thread. I don't know how to make it any clearer.

How about this explanation......
If DeSantis would just stay out of it, the establishments of any kind in the state of Florida can do as they wish when it comes to requiring a vaccine passport or not requiring a vaccine passport to render services.

I wish DeSantis would just stay out of it!

[stanley]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

How about this explanation......
If DeSantis would just stay out of it, the establishments of any kind in the state of Florida can do as they wish when it comes to requiring a vaccine passport or not requiring a vaccine passport to render services.

I wish DeSantis would just stay out of it!

So now you want the government to "stay out of it" when it fits your wants and needs. You can't make this crap up!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I don't understand why all the pro-vaccine passport posters are using yellow fever as an example. It has nothing in common with COVID, other than being a virus. Yellow fever is transmitted by mosquitoes, not person to person. The countries that require the vaccination are not interested in YOUR health. Do you think the government of Malawi gives a rat's furry arse if an American dies? They just don't want you to die in their country, possibly on their dime. They would require malaria prophylaxis for the same reason, except it is impossible to enforce. With poliomyelitis making a comeback, why not a passport for that? Far more contagious and deadly than COVID, and while it is primarily transmitted by the fecal-oral route, it can sometimes be respiratory. Besides, ever check out an airplane bathroom or the restrooms at the airport?????

So if you want to be "sure" the person next to you on a plane is COVID free (but even the vaccine doesn't guarantee that), by all means support the "vaccine passport", and give up some of your freedoms, especially when the next step occurs. How about being "sure" the person next to you doesn't have HIV??? Can't get it from sitting next to him? How about a nosebleed? How about a cut from something in the overhead bin? How about coughing up some blood from pneumocystis carinii pneumonitis? To those who want to feel "100% safe", how do you feel about HIV status on your "passport". Then there are dozens more infectious diseases to worry about, all more contagious and deadly than COVID. So please, beware the slippery slope.

I get your point but those diseases you mentioned or any other communicable disease for that matter, is not currently causing a global pandemic. There is the difference.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

I assume everyone saw this...

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

THIS is why I want to be assured that the person sitting next to me on an airplane on a domestic or international flight has been vaccinated.

That is just the beginning>>>>>>>>>>>

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Davidgroupx

Because they could give it to other people who have not yet been vaccinated, or the 10% who have been but are unfortunately the few who are not really protected.

Aren't the few that are "not really protected" may get Covid but will not have severe symptoms requiring hospitalization and will not die. That is my understanding. So, to me, everyone who is vaccinated is offered protection.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jmintzer5

HIPPA protections...

HIPAA laws are to protect an individual's privacy but an individual may divulge their medical history if they wish to do so.

So......if a vaccinated person would like to produce a vaccine passport to board a cruise ship, let's say, they are within their rights to do so. HIPAA has nothing to do with that.

[blueash]

Posted by tvbound
Almost everyone has accepted that a private business and/or public venues can institute and enforce a "no shirt, no shoes, no service" policy. Why should a "no Covid passport, no service" - be any different?

Originally Posted by jmintzer5

HIPPA protections...

You are wrong about HIPAA [not HIPPA]

The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) is a federal law that required the creation of national standards to protect sensitive patient health information from being disclosed without the patient's consent or knowledge.

There is absolutely no violation of HIPAA if you disclose your own health information which is what would happen in the situation described.

EDIT Oh I see as I was typing the correct information was being posted.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by stanley

And there we have it, an "example" to lose freedoms..............what other examples would you like to give? Where would those "examples" end?

They are endless, actually. I'm not saying these limitations will last forever. I'm sure they won't for your sake.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by stanley

So now you want the government to "stay out of it" when it fits your wants and needs. You can't make this crap up!

I have been very verbal about not agreeing with our governor. I think the businesses should have the say as to how they wish to handle this pandemic going forward. There should be no government intervention. Isn't that conservative way of thinking?

[blueash]

I usually find that golfing eagles is medically accurate even if we differ on some politics. But this post is simply wrong in the one fact, as opposed to opinion, it contained:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles ....
With poliomyelitis making a comeback, why not a passport for that? Far more contagious and deadly than COVID, and while it is primarily transmitted by the fecal-oral route, it can sometimes be respiratory. Besides, ever check out an airplane bathroom or the restrooms at the airport?????

Polio is not making a comeback. There are two broad categories of people getting polio. One is the wild virus which is the traditional case of polio that the Salk and Sabin vaccines were designed to eliminate. There are three strains of wild polio conveniently called type 1, 2, or 3. All 3 strains are contained in both vaccines. In the oral vaccine the virus is alive but very weakened so that it is extremely rare but not impossible that someone who gets the vaccine can get real active polio from the vaccine. In the polio shot the virus is dead and cannot cause disease.

If someone gets polio from the vaccine it is called vaccine derived polio VDP. If it is wild polio then WPV.

Here are the data for the week ending March 31, 2021:

Summary of new WPV and cVDPV viruses this week (AFP cases and ES positives): AFP mean acute flaccid paralysis, or clinical polio, ES means environmental sample, they tested the water and found vaccine polio in the water

Afghanistan: five cVDPV2 cases and two cVDPV2 positive environmental samples
Pakistan: two WPV1 and one cVDPV2 positive environmental samples
Côte d’Ivoire: 34 cVDPV2 positive environmental samples
Guinea: one cVDPV2 positive environmental sample
Liberia: three cVDPV2 positive environmental samples
*****: one cVDPV2 positive environmental sample Really censor? This is a country in Africa N i g e r
Senegal: two cVDPV2 cases and one positive environmental sample
South Sudan: three cVDPV2 positive environmental samples

So the only cases of wild polio in the entire world last week were two in Pakistan where there is now a huge issue getting the fundamental Islamic areas to accept vaccines as they believe vaccines are a Western biological warfare agent. Funny about people believing such wrong things about vaccines isn't it.

In Afghanistan there were 5 people diagnosed with polio they caught from being vaccinated.

The total wild polio cases for 2020 were:
Afghanistan 56
Pakistan 84

No other country in the world has had a single case of wild polio in either 2019, 2020 or 2021. For comparison in 1988 there were an estimated 350,000 cases of wild polio in the world. No, polio is not making a comeback.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Michiganders

So true how you replied. I should have a say what chemical is put into my body without being labeled with a scarlet letter because I choose not to have the vaccine at this time. Our country fought for these freedoms to have them taken away. With all the people vaccinated already the possitive covid count should be going down drastically. If a person chooses to have the vaccine, I respect your decision, that is your right.

You believe our country fought for the freedom to not get a vaccine? Do our soldiers get a choice not to get required vaccines? Did our Revolutionary War leader and first President, George Washington, force his soldiers to get smallpox prevention? Yes he did. Did he establish a regulation that no person from Boston where there was a smallpox epidemic be allowed to travel to where his troops were encamped, yes he did. So please, General Washington set up a rule where people at risk of having a contagious disease could not freely travel. Sound familiar? Just a little bit?

Don't tell me America was founded so that people can refuse vaccines and still do whatever they please because of "freedumb" Read history and learn.