[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I think you misunderstand. I am 100% in favor of everyone getting vaccinated, I am under 65 so had to wait, but now I have an appointment for tomorrow. I favor masks indoors when social distancing cannot be guaranteed.

245 years ago we sent a letter to George III delineating certain rights and freedoms that we believed in, in 1787 we immortalized them in our constitution. Most of that document limited what GOVERNMENT can and cannot do

There have been certain situations where we play loose and free with that document---wartime, pandemics, Japanese-American internment camps, pre civil rights South, etc., all in the name of "the greater good" The problem is WHO gets to decide the greater good.

You are free to argue the severity of this pandemic and quote numbers, but IMHO, compared with pandemics of the past, this is a minor event. Spanish flu 1918-19----50-100 million dead. Black Death of 1347---60% of Europe dead. Justinian plague of 541-49---30% of the population dead. I just don't believe that the draconian response that we have had so far, much less future regulations and edicts, are justified.

Bottom line: You and I are in the same book and same chapter, just on a slightly different page.

Prezactly!

[blueash]

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Posted by tvbound
Almost everyone has accepted that a private business and/or public venues can institute and enforce a "no shirt, no shoes, no service" policy. Why should a "no Covid passport, no service" - be any different?

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Originally Posted by jmintzer5 View Post
HIPPA protections...

posted by Blueash
You are wrong about HIPAA [not HIPPA]
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The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) is a federal law that required the creation of national standards to protect sensitive patient health information from being disclosed without the patient's consent or knowledge.
There is absolutely no violation of HIPAA if you disclose your own health information which is what would happen in the situation described.

Originally Posted by jmintzer5

No, you're wrong, as well... (And sorry for the typo...)

I deal with HIPAA daily, I know exactly what it is...

This thread is about REQUIRING a Vaccine Passport. Not choosing to disclose the information...

The purpose of a vaccine passport would be to have a form you could provide to document that you have been vaccinated. No one would be required to have such a passport just as no one is required to have a US Passport now, unless you wish to partake in an activity where such a document is required, like take a cruise to Europe. If you show up at the cruise terminal without your passport you are refused boarding even if you have a driver's license or a school ID with your photo. A real passport is what they need to see. Don't want to cruise, don't get a passport.

Similarly if a business wants to see proof you are immunized to accept you as a customer it could be in many forms. You might just have to say "I had my shots" That wouldn't be a passport but does require that you voluntarily disclose your own health care information. No HIPAA violation. Or a business might not accept your word and want a note from your doctor which she writes but you provide. Again disclosing protected health information with your ok. No HIPAA violation. Or the business might require a form from the government agency that provided and likely paid for your shots. That is one form a Vaccine passport might take. Again you okayed the information being given to the business and you authorized the government to print your passport, and you likely sent the govt your information so it could print the passport, just like your US passport required you to provide information to the govt to print it.

So my comment is correct. There is no HIPAA violation in a Vaccine Passport. You are disclosing your own vaccine status. No third party is disclosing your status without your consent which exactly what HIPAA prohibits. A business requiring proof of vaccination is not a HIPAA violation. "No passport no service" Your providing your own vaccine status is not a HIPAA violation.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by blueash

The purpose of a vaccine passport would be to have a form you could provide to document that you have been vaccinated. No one would be required to have such a passport just as no one is required to have a US Passport now, unless you wish to partake in an activity where such a document is required, like take a cruise to Europe. If you show up at the cruise terminal without your passport you are refused boarding even if you have a driver's license or a school ID with your photo. A real passport is what they need to see. Don't want to cruise, don't get a passport.

Similarly if a business wants to see proof you are immunized to accept you as a customer it could be in many forms. You might just have to say "I had my shots" That wouldn't be a passport but does require that you voluntarily disclose your own health care information. No HIPAA violation. Or a business might not accept your word and want a note from your doctor which she writes but you provide. Again disclosing protected health information with your ok. No HIPAA violation. Or the business might require a form from the government agency that provided and likely paid for your shots. That is one form a Vaccine passport might take. Again you okayed the information being given to the business and you authorized the government to print your passport, and you likely sent the govt your information so it could print the passport, just like your US passport required you to provide information to the govt to print it.

So my comment is correct. There is no HIPAA violation in a Vaccine Passport. You are disclosing your own vaccine status. No third party is disclosing your status without your consent which exactly what HIPAA prohibits. A business requiring proof of vaccination is not a HIPAA violation. "No passport no service" Your providing your own vaccine status is not a HIPAA violation.

Nope... The lead (trial) balloon being floated is to REQURE the Vaccine Passport for use...

Can you imagine the outcry if you had to prove you HIV status or whether or not you had Hep B? Why is this any different?

Now, if you want to offer that info, more power to you. Others may not feel the same and should not be required to do so...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jmintzer5

I never said it did...

I was specifically talking about REQUIRING a Vaccine Passport... Which is what the entire thread is about...

I was responding to your post #332 that said, and I quote the entire post here, "HIPAA Protection".

That response made me think that you feel a vaccine passport would violate a person's privacy. I simply stated, and I paraphrase myself, that HIPAA laws protect privacy but the individual can decide on their own to produce said medical information such as a vaccination record. HIPPA laws are not pertinent if the individual decides to produce a vaccine record.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jmintzer5

Nope... The lead (trial) balloon being floated is to REQURE the Vaccine Passport for use...

Can you imagine the outcry if you had to prove you HIV status or whether or not you had Hep B? Why is this any different?

Now, if you want to offer that info, more power to you. Others may not feel the same and should not be required to do so...

There is a tremendous difference between having to disclose medical issues information such as you mentioned. Those are specific diseases (HIV status, Hep B). Disclosing vaccination status is not disclosing any sort of disease or health issue. In fact, disclosing a vaccine status is very positive information as it parallels with Public Health and discloses that the vaccinated person is essentially doing their part for our country to reach herd immunity. That, right there, is reason to be very proud of your vaccine status.

[blueash]

US Based cruise line, Windstar cruises, has announced that it will require all passengers to prove completed vaccination status plus two weeks prior to boarding. Additionally they will at the embarkation port do a Covid antigen test which must be negative to be allowed to board. The announcement does not say what format the vaccination proof must be. But here is a perfect example of a business demanding the information that would appear in a Vaccination Passport. There also is nothing on the website as to what refund if any you would receive if you arrive fully vaccinated but have a positive or equivocal antigen test.

Windstar Cruises will require proof of a current COVID-19 vaccination for all guests sailing aboard Windstar’s yachts. The cruise line arrived at the decision in the best health and wellness interests of its guests, crew, and the places the yachts visit.

At the cruise terminal prior to embarkation, guests will be required to provide proof of a completed current vaccine course (one or two shots, depending on the brand) finished at least 14 days prior to the guest’s embarkation date.

NEW: No COVID-19 PCR test is required at pier. Windstar will require and administer a free COVID-19 antigen test at pier prior to boarding. A negative test result is required to board.

As Windstar does sail from Miami, I don't know what DeSantis's executive order demands. Is he going to tell Windstar it cannot dock in Florida unless it changes its policy? Or is he going to let the public decide what cruise company to use and the business decide what risk of Covid on board it wants to accept?

[blueash]

Royal Caribbean Cruise line from their website today:

Q Do I need a COVID-19 vaccine to cruise? What documents count as proof of vaccination? How far in advance do I need to get my vaccine?
A
At this time, we are requiring guests 18 years and older to be fully vaccinated for COVID-19, along with all crew members onboard. Each guest must submit proof of vaccination no later than boarding day, in the form of the original vaccination record document issued by either (1) the country’s health authority that administered the vaccination (e.g., U.S. CDC's Vaccination Record Card) or (2) the guest's medical provider that administered the vaccination. Electronic vaccination records will only be accepted for residents of those countries where electronic documentation is the standard issued form (e.g., a unique QR code). The vaccination record submitted to Royal Caribbean must show that the guest is fully vaccinated. This means that the guest has completed the full cycle of required doses for the vaccine administered (e.g., received the second dose in a two-dose series), and that the guest has received the final dose at least 14 days before sailing.

All guests must present proof of vaccination as well as all required travel documents upon arrival at the ship terminal.

Sounds a lot like a vaccination passport or its equivalent, a vaccine record for travel. I'll stop at two examples, but there are more.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I was responding to your post #332 that said, and I quote the entire post here, "HIPAA Protection".

That response made me think that you feel a vaccine passport would violate a person's privacy. I simply stated, and I paraphrase myself, that HIPAA laws protect privacy but the individual can decide on their own to produce said medical information such as a vaccination record. HIPPA laws are not pertinent if the individual decides to produce a vaccine record.

And I was responding to post #1... You know, what this entire thread is about?

And if you're going to quote me, please do so accurately... I specifically said "HIPPA Protection" (sic)...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by blueash

US Based cruise line, Windstar cruises, has announced that it will require all passengers to prove completed vaccination status plus two weeks prior to boarding. Additionally they will at the embarkation port do a Covid antigen test which must be negative to be allowed to board. The announcement does not say what format the vaccination proof must be. But here is a perfect example of a business demanding the information that would appear in a Vaccination Passport. There also is nothing on the website as to what refund if any you would receive if you arrive fully vaccinated but have a positive or equivocal antigen test.

As Windstar does sail from Miami, I don't know what DeSantis's executive order demands. Is he going to tell Windstar it cannot dock in Florida unless it changes its policy? Or is he going to let the public decide what cruise company to use and the business decide what risk of Covid on board it wants to accept?

I surely hope DeSantis has no say whatsoever about how the cruise lines conduct their businesses out of ports in Florida. Most people who verbalized they want to cruise have said they WANT to be on board with all vaccinated crew and passengers. I read this over and over on the cruise forums. Very few are willing to board a cruise ship with any un-vaccinated passengers or crew, myself and hubby included.

Bottom line....it is the anti-vaxxers that are fighting the idea of a vaccine passport tooth and nail. They are the ones who are willing to cruise with un-vaccinated people on board.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

There is a tremendous difference between having to disclose medical issues information such as you mentioned. Those are specific diseases (HIV status, Hep B). Disclosing vaccination status is not disclosing any sort of disease or health issue. In fact, disclosing a vaccine status is very positive information as it parallels with Public Health and discloses that the vaccinated person is essentially doing their part for our country to reach herd immunity. That, right there, is reason to be very proud of your vaccine status.

HIV and Hep B are specific diseases and Covid isn't? News to me!

All 3 are caused by viruses...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

There is a tremendous difference between having to disclose medical issues information such as you mentioned. Those are specific diseases (HIV status, Hep B). Disclosing vaccination status is not disclosing any sort of disease or health issue. In fact, disclosing a vaccine status is very positive information as it parallels with Public Health and discloses that the vaccinated person is essentially doing their part for our country to reach herd immunity. That, right there, is reason to be very proud of your vaccine status.

And being "proud of your vaccine status" is irrelevant to the conversation...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by blueash

US Based cruise line, Windstar cruises, has announced that it will require all passengers to prove completed vaccination status plus two weeks prior to boarding. Additionally they will at the embarkation port do a Covid antigen test which must be negative to be allowed to board. The announcement does not say what format the vaccination proof must be. But here is a perfect example of a business demanding the information that would appear in a Vaccination Passport. There also is nothing on the website as to what refund if any you would receive if you arrive fully vaccinated but have a positive or equivocal antigen test.


As Windstar does sail from Miami, I don't know what DeSantis's executive order demands. Is he going to tell Windstar it cannot dock in Florida unless it changes its policy? Or is he going to let the public decide what cruise company to use and the business decide what risk of Covid on board it wants to accept?

Methinks the courts will decide...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by blueash

Royal Caribbean Cruise line from their website today:


Sounds a lot like a vaccination passport or its equivalent, a vaccine record for travel. I'll stop at two examples, but there are more.

Their requests are useless, as those little pieces of heavy stock paper are already being counterfeited...

A letter from "Epstein's Mom" would carry more weight...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jmintzer5

And I was responding to post #1... You know, what this entire thread is about?

Post #1 was composed by Walrus. This is the post you responded to.......

Originally Posted by tvbound View Post
Almost everyone has accepted that a private business and/or public venues can institute and enforce a "no shirt, no shoes, no service" policy. Why should a "no Covid passport, no service" - be any different?
The passage I highlighted is not Post #1. Your response to this post above that I bolded and italicized was and I quote, "HIPAA protections".

I responded to you that HIPAA has nothing to do with an individual who decides to make their medical history known. The HIPAA law does not effect an individual's choice to divulge information to anyone.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jmintzer5

HIV and Hep B are specific diseases and Covid isn't? News to me!

All 3 are caused by viruses...

Of course, Covid is a disease. But.......I did not say one has to divulge they had Covid. It is the VACCINATION to Covid that I was referring to that would need to be proven. This should have been clear enough.

This is what I said and I'm copying and pasting my words here.......
"Disclosing vaccination status is not disclosing any sort of disease or health issue."