[Cobullymom]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

naw, you are missing the point. Covid, a worldwide pandemic, has killed more people in 12 months than HPV, Flu, Shingles, etc has in 50 years.

And many countries will require it anyway - plus airlines, cruiseships, etc...

Reality is, I'm a fan of the Governor, but this policy - having the vaccine and the passport - is the fastest way to get the world on track

And the flu has killed hundreds of millions over the years and none of this nonsense....bull..

[crash]

Originally Posted by John41

How do you deal with people that have not been vaccinated but have herd immunity or have recovered from COVID 19.. Just testing them once for COVID 19 would not be enough.

If you have had COVID you would have immunity just like getting the vaccine so your passport would say that. Many parts of the world are already doing this and it is a way to get started faster instead of waiting for herd immunity.

[Cobullymom]

Originally Posted by C. C. Rider

Yet large numbers of people are willing to trample on and diminish EVERYONE'S liberty and freedom based on a vaccine of unproven durability and because of fear of something that at worst has taken the lives of about two-tenths of one percent of the population of this country... mostly consisting of the elderly with several comorbidities, about half of which were already in nursing homes.

How quickly and easily we give up that which so many of our ancestors fought and died to preserve. Very sad.

Yes it is, people....I will not give up my freedom for this..Thank You Governor!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Cobullymom

And the flu has killed hundreds of millions over the years and none of this nonsense....

True, but only at a rate of 35-70,000/year. This is different.

Of course, pneumonic plague killed half of Europe

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by crash

If you have had COVID you would have immunity just like getting the vaccine so your passport would say that. Many parts of the world are already doing this and it is a way to get started faster instead of waiting for herd immunity.

And just how would it show that???? How are you going to prove it???? The antibody test is not valid for the purpose of determining immunity, at least not yet.

[crash]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

This not the first infectious disease that has killed millions, and it won't be the last. But it is the first where governments have stepped in and closed down world economies, limited individual rights such as travel and freedom of assembly, and dictated personal choices such as mask wearing and now vaccines. And this is what is being called "intelligent"?????

Not true the Spanish flu of 1918 was worse then this and had all the same issues with mask wearing and travel restrictions. You think we would of learned something but I guess not. Thank goodness that at least science has advanced.

[thevillages2013]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

They want us to protect those who aren't vaccinated, in case we can carry the virus.

Vaccine ID’s should be fairly easy to fake just ask any 18-20 year old

[Cobullymom]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

It's not everyone's liberty and freedom. The vaccine cards ALREADY EXIST. Many international travelers ALREADY have them, for other vaccines. If you want to go THERE, then THOSE PEOPLE THERE want proof that you won't spread a deadly illness in their direction. You're welcome to stay where you are, no one is forcing you to go there. THEY have the freedom to say "you're not invited." So stop trying to jump on their freedom.

And I’ve worked through this entire time to keep you cared for and your not going to tell me that now I cannot have any freedom to go anywhere because you were scared. If your vaccinated what are you afraid of???

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Cobullymom

And the flu has killed hundreds of millions over the years and none of this nonsense....

Yes, it has - over the years. 30K in a year doesn't compare to 700K in a year.

[Eg_cruz]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

I'd like to respectfully throw something out there for discussion and perhaps we can learn a bit from each other.

Our governor has said he will prohibit vaccine passports which would require us to prove we've been vaccinated in order to gain access to some businesses, offices, or restaurants.

I find it interesting because it speaks to how we all want the best for our country; we just approach it in different ways. Conservatives are not fond of government interference in general, but they support this proposal. Liberals are generally okay with government regulation but do indeed want a vaccine passport which DeSantis is opposing.

Just goes to show modern American life is not all cut and dried. We all have to give a little.

If you want to respond but feel the need to be belligerent or snarky, please move on to the next thread. Thanks.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Says He'll Ban Vaccine Passports

I am sorry but, I am not one that is jumping on the “Shot that has no long term study band wagon” everyone has the right to choose what the think is best for them. For 20 years I have been leery of vaccines so, to have one without really knowing the true How, What and When is confusing to me. I am a very low risk because of my lifestyle so why should I have to be forced to get something that goes against my beliefs because something may or may not work?

Here’s the big question people have been getting very sick from this shots......has anyone ask Why, it’s not because it has the virus in it so why are some sick for 6-7 days, Why are people getting fevers and nerve pain. Unlike the flu shot where it has the viruses in it the Covid-19 does not so then why (other then egg allergy ) people getting sick? Does that not brother anyone?
I am happy that our governor is not jumping on the crazy vaccine passport.

[maggie1]

Originally Posted by C. C. Rider

The idea of "vaccine passports" is contradictory with what the vaccine advocates contend is true. They contend that people who get the vaccine will be safe from catching and transmitting the virus. If this premise is true, then they should have no worry about being around someone who hasn't had the vaccine. Perhaps the person had the virus and recovered with no problems... in which case, their immunity is probably as good as someone who had the vaccine. Even if they haven't had the virus, the unvaccinated person is the one at greater risk by being there than the vaccinated person, so why should they be prohibited from any public place?

I don't know if a person is immune from catching the virus again after they've already had it, but I agree with the rest of what you've said. Personally, I think it's ridiculous to continue wearing a mask after we've been vaccinated. The purpose of the mask was to prevent the spread of, and from receiving the virus, so if I'm protected how is it my fault to worry about someone else who refuses to get the vaccine? It;s up to them to continue wearing a mask, not me.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

I'd like to respectfully throw something out there for discussion and perhaps we can learn a bit from each other.

Our governor has said he will prohibit vaccine passports which would require us to prove we've been vaccinated in order to gain access to some businesses, offices, or restaurants.

I find it interesting because it speaks to how we all want the best for our country; we just approach it in different ways. Conservatives are not fond of government interference in general, but they support this proposal. Liberals are generally okay with government regulation but do indeed want a vaccine passport which DeSantis is opposing.

Just goes to show modern American life is not all cut and dried. We all have to give a little.

If you want to respond but feel the need to be belligerent or snarky, please move on to the next thread. Thanks.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Says He'll Ban Vaccine Passports

I don't know how the government can tell private businesses that they can't require proof in order to enter their premises. The same goes for masks. A business has the right to either require or request that you wear a mask or allow people without masks to enter. The public has a right to choose whether or not they want to do business with those businesses under the terms that they set.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

This not the first infectious disease that has killed millions, and it won't be the last. But it is the first where governments have stepped in and closed down world economies, limited individual rights such as travel and freedom of assembly, and dictated personal choices such as mask wearing and now vaccines. And this is what is being called "intelligent"?????

Spanish flu was the last time there was a pandemic and the governments responded similarly, except there never was a vaccine, and millions perished.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

I am sorry but, I am not one that is jumping on the “Shot that has no long term study band wagon” everyone has the right to choose what the think is best for them. For 20 years I have been leery of vaccines so, to have one without really knowing the true How, What and When is confusing to me. I am a very low risk because of my lifestyle so why should I have to be forced to get something that goes against my beliefs because something may or may not work?

Here’s the big question people have been getting very sick from this shots......has anyone ask Why, it’s not because it has the virus in it so why are some sick for 6-7 days, Why are people getting fevers and nerve pain. Unlike the flu shot where it has the viruses in it the Covid-19 does not so then why (other then egg allergy ) people getting sick? Does that not brother anyone?
I am happy that our governor is not jumping on the crazy vaccine passport.

Sorry, but there is so much wrong with this post that I wouldn't know where to begin, nor do I have the time to sort it out.

[Stuholden]

Originally Posted by C. C. Rider

The idea of "vaccine passports" is contradictory with what the vaccine advocates contend is true. They contend that people who get the vaccine will be safe from catching and transmitting the virus. If this premise is true, then they should have no worry about being around someone who hasn't had the vaccine. Perhaps the person had the virus and recovered with no problems... in which case, their immunity is probably as good as someone who had the vaccine. Even if they haven't had the virus, the unvaccinated person is the one at greater risk by being there than the vaccinated person, so why should they be prohibited from any public place?

This is not binary - if you have the vaccine you are not 100% immune as all vaccines have a percentage effectiveness. If you have had covid you are not immune to reinfection. There are varients and mutations which are arising the more infections there are in the community.
Vaccine passports will allow groups to form that have lowered risk, but not 100% safe.