[Bucco]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

get these unsolicited ballots , are people suggesting without any proof but one mans claims that we should have a new election even when people in charge of the elections both Republican and Democrat say they have no proof of fraud . The whole world is not only laughing but appalled that the greatest democracy in the world is acting like some banana republic

You are correct. We, the USA, are very much the butt of jokes all over the world. Our country seems to be in the mode of crying and accusing, instead of embracing our process.

[jnafix]

Originally Posted by bilcon

No mail in ballots unless you can prove you are incapacitated. Vote in person except for absentee ballots for those serving in Armed Forces. All ballots must be in and counted by Election Day. No exceptions. Just my thoughts. There was definitely room for fraud in this election.

Nope: remember Bush vs Gore. Florida state POPO roadblocks. Ohio moving around polling stations. People everywhere being told their polling places have just been moved. So many old people just want to go back to the Old Fashion Voting Fraud. Maybe only just because it only favored their party. Wake up it's 2020 and in four years we'll all most likely be voting on line.

[ismatta]

Widespread voter fraud is a myth created by the losing party in an attempt to manipulate an election in their favor. Also known as cheating. Truth, honesty, and fairness is implicit in the foundations of our country. If there is fraud, where is the evidence? Show us the proof, or it is obvious you are attempting to cheat, and subvert democracy. Let move on from this obvious attempt to change a result you don’t like.

[Accidental1]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

I think that there have been some sketchy things going on with the vote count in other states. I am proud of the way Florida handled the entire election process. If Florida can get an election night result, so should the other states.

I too believe Florida handled the election well. Perhaps all states need to allow counting of mail in ballots prior to election day so there won't be so much delay.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

I think that there have been some sketchy things going on with the vote count in other states. I am proud of the way Florida handled the entire election process. If Florida can get an election night result, so should the other states.

Florida was a slam dunk for Trump. It was not close so of course Florida was called on election night. Having said that, if Florida was a tight race such as Penn. then Florida would also have to count every single vote to have a winner for the state.

[jebartle]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Is it o.k. to say I am frustrated and depressed? I am.

I've been that way for 4 years, your turn.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Is it o.k. to say I am frustrated and depressed? I am.

Then maybe it is OK for me to say that I am relatively happy!

[canyonblue]

Mail-in ballots were part of a plot to deny Lincoln reelection in 1864

Traveling to Baltimore in the fall of 1864, Orville Wood had no way of knowing he would soon uncover the most elaborate election conspiracy in America’s brief history. Wood was a merchant from Clinton County in the most northeastern corner of New York. As a supporter of President Abraham Lincoln, he was tasked with visiting troops from his hometown to “look after the local ticket.” New York legislators had only established the state’s mail-in voting system in April with the intent of ensuring the suffrage of White troops battling the Confederate Army.

The results of the 1864 elections would heavily affect the outcome of the war. Lincoln and his supporters in the National Union Party sought to continue the war and defeat the Confederacy outright. Meanwhile antiwar Democrats, also referred to as Copperheads, looked for an immediate compromise with the Confederate leaders and the end of the abolition movement. Troops from New York were allowed to authorize individuals back home to cast a vote on their behalf. Along with their mail-in ballots, troops would assign their power of attorney on slips that required four signatures: the voter’s, the person authorized as a recipient, a witness to the signed affidavit and a fellow officer. These documents would be sealed in an envelope and shipped back home to be counted in the final vote. This was the process that Orville Wood intended to uphold, he would testify in court later. He quickly found out what a challenge that would be. Wood arrived at Fort McHenry in Baltimore to visit with the 91st New York Regiment. There, an Army captain suggested that there had been some “checker playing” when it came to the gathering of soldiers’ mail-in ballots. These suspicions of fraud were echoed when Wood visited wounded men at the Newton University Hospital. The rumors of wrongdoing led Wood to the office of Moses Ferry in Baltimore.

Ferry had been selected by New York Gov. Horatio Seymour to help oversee the voting process for New York’s enlisted men. Seymour had vetoed the initial bill to establish mail-in voting and would go on to run against Ulysses S. Grant in the 1868 presidential election. Wood masked his suspicions as he entered Ferry’s office, portraying himself as a strong supporter of Lincoln’s opponent, George McClellan. This was enough to gain Ferry’s trust, he testified later.

Ferry told Wood that the votes from New York’s 91st Regiment had already been tallied: 400 for McClellan and 11 for Lincoln.

Wood returned to the office later and, following Ferry’s instructions, began forging signatures of the 16th New York Cavalry. Meanwhile, a clerk sat across the room signing ballots from the roster of names Wood had brought with him from home. Wood asked to personally deliver these fraudulent ballots, but Ferry said they would have to receive final approval from his colleague in Washington — Edward Donahue Jr. Donahue soon arrived in Baltimore and met with Wood. It was revealed during this conversation that around 20 co-conspirators were already at work in D.C. to aid in the plot to deliver votes to McClellan. The following day Wood watched as Donahue and his crew formed a sort of assembly line, passing blank papers along to one another to be signed with the names of active enlisted men, wounded and dead soldiers, and officers who never existed.

In addition to operations in D.C. and Baltimore, the scheme extended back to New York. Donahue had received rosters of soldiers from military officials and members of law enforcement. A letter from Gen. J.A. Ferrell read, “Inclosed in this package you will find tickets, also a list of names of the actual residents of Columbia County, now members of the 128th Regiment. With my best wishes for your success.” A letter from Albany Sheriff H. Cromdell offered to send additional men to assist in Baltimore. The letter read, “All is well here, and we are confident of complete success. It is unnecessary to say that all here have entire confidence in your skill and abetting, and hope you like your help.”

Also discovered in Ferry’s office was a list of around 400 names belonging to sick and wounded soldiers under treatment at a nearby hospital. In reference to the roster, Ferry joked, “Dead or alive, they all had cast a good vote.”

Ferry, Donahue, and their fellow conspirators found humor in their work. One accomplice mocked the outcry he expected from abolitionist newspapers following the corruption of the election. The men bragged about their past successes in fixing local elections back home. Together, the men had shipped crates of fraudulent votes back to New York. But their scheme was over. Wood reported the operation to authorities. Ferry’s office was searched, and on the morning of Oct. 27, 1864 — less than two weeks before the election — he and Donahue stood trial before a military commission. Ferry offered a full confession that same day, even offering up the names of others involved in the scheme. Donahue proved more of a challenge. Following the first day of the trial, a reporter for the New York Times wrote, “The honest electors of the state of New York have escaped an extensive and fearful fraud, a fraud in keeping with the proclivities of the party in whose behalf it was initiated, but one that, if unexposed might have subverted the honest will of the people and left the state and the nation at the mercy of those who would make peace with rebellion and fellowship with traitors.”

Arrests in New York and Washington continued to mount as Donahue returned to trial. Following Wood’s damning testimony and supporting evidence, Donahue begged for mercy from the court. He was a young man, newly married, with no previous record. He visibly wilted as he realized the weight of his current situation, no longer expressing the defiance with which he had entered the proceedings. The judge advocate addressed the tribunal, saying that Donahue had engaged in one of the most gigantic frauds ever attempted in America — “a fraud which, if it shall be successful, will, in my opinion, have produced a disruption of our entire country, and our war for the preservation of the Union will be practically at an end and futile.”

In the months following Lincoln’s victory — he won 221 electoral votes to McClellan’s 21 — anti-abolitionist newspapers attacked his legitimacy, calling the trial another aspect of a conspiracy conducted by the president to ensure his reelection.

The commission that oversaw Ferry and Donahue’s trial recommended life in prison for the two men who sought to corrupt the election by mail. The president, who would soon be slain, approved.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I am not wrong. Florida law does not require an ID to vote for president. If you show up with no ID, they can require you to use a provisional ballot to vote. Then, they are supposed to verify your signature with the voter registration signature on file. But, if they refuse to let you vote, they are violating Florida law.

You may be right, BUT I saw two people get sent home to get their IDs from early voting. I cannot understand how anyone would leave home without some form of ID, even if not a Villages ID, which they will take here.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

My question is this, why is it that when all the early votes were in, one party was way ahead, then when people actually went to physically vote, the other side surged ahead, but then when the straggling mail in ballots got counted, the original party again surged back in front. Why does one party get it's advantage from early and mail in voting, while the other benefits from people actually physically showing up with a valid ID to vote? The whole thing seems kind of fishy to me? But then again, what do I know?

Not fishy at all. BEFORE Election Day, it was reported by all networks that initially on election night, Trump is going to have a very significant lead. Why? Because Trump encouraged his base to VOTE IN PERSON AT THE POLLS. We all know that the democrats take this virus very seriously and were not willing to go to the polls to cast their votes. Most democrats VOTED BY MAIL.

The votes to be counted first were the ballots cast on election day at the polls. Hence, big surge for Trump. Then after all those votes were to be counted, then the mail in votes would be counted. Hence, Biden surged ahead of Trump. I was expecting this to happen and I figured the country would understand what was predicted before Election Day.

What was predicted to happen has come to fruition. I'm not surprised.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jnafix

Yes Yes Yes - Now I believe you. There was wide spread voter fraud in the state of Florida because no one needed proof of citizenship or proof of residency. Lots of people even voted twice (because they were told to by potus). I'm with you brother. So you are saying that it's very possible that those electoral collage votes might have been meant go to the other guy.

I have no idea. I am just saying that we need an unimpeachable method of registering votes, so that there will be no question as to who wins, and no accusations. I see no valid argument against voter ID to prove citizenship. Think of all the money that would be saved if we had a certified picture form of voter registration that proved citizenship. AND NO ballots should be sent out unsolicited. And absentee ballots for those that find it impossible to vote in person, should be witnessed and certified by a gov official. An election is one of the most important occasion in anyone's life.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Kilmacowen

You can't vote twice on the same bar code. Also when you register they do not use a digital signature.

I don't know about anyone else but I DID sign digitally using a cotton swab, here in the Villages during early voting.

[jebartle]

Has anyone noticed that the 9 states that vote exclusively by mail, no problem, hmmmm!
Lake co., fla, counted ballots when received, no problem, only the result, but that is democracy, I can live with that result, especially now.

[justjim]

Some lose with grace and some do not. Some win with grace and some do not. As far as the “election ballot process”, that process is given to the States and the States to their counties. That’s the way it works and that is one of the reasons attempted “fraud” is rare and and in a National presidential election one election after another the process has its checks and balances at the local level and the process works. This is how a democracy works.

[Buckeye Bob]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

People should have to submit proof of identity in order to vote.

If voter fraud is proven, people need to go to jail regardless of party or position. That goes for all the crooks in DC.