[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

He's talking about mail-in voting, which requires you to not even be physically capable of presenting your ID to anyone. But it does require that your signature be on file (usually via your Florida drivers' license, which is now also a valid Federal ID, or in person registration to vote), so that the signatures can be matched when you sign the back of the envelope before mailing it in.

Considering that mail-in voting, *regardless of the reason for the mail-in, whether absentee or not* has existed since the Civil War, and considering that mail fraud has been negligible since, and considering that even when it IS discovered, it invalidates the fraudulent votes - thus making the actual votes valid and countable..

considering all that, mail-in ballots is not, nor has it ever been, a concern in this country.

In person voting HAS been a problem, particularly in Georgia and Florida, when a certain party did some certain things creating certain problems, and the subsequent attempts at covering it up were exposed.

So if it were me, I'd be more concerned about a certain party's attempts to subvert and corrupt the voting process at the polling places, and less concerned about mail-in voting.

I'm not all that concerned about either. The person I didn't want, took the Florida election fair and square. I don't like it, but I accept it. Hopefully, the people on that side will have the same attitude if their person doesn't win the final national result. Somehow though, considering THEIR history - I don't have much faith in that.

Good post. in the recent election, There were more than 150,000 ballots (and that may go up to 300,00) blocked (on purpose?) in Post Office facilities and NOT delivered by election day and therefore considered INVALID. Many were suspiciously found in battleground states. This should have been predicted and prevented when PO delivery statistics and procedures were changed in months leading up to Nov. 3rd. Where were the crack FBI investigators who are charged with preventing this type of crime? Where is the public outrage? Where are the criminal charges for leadership in the PO? A charge of TREASON would be fitting.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Bucco

In reality, the states that are slow in reporting are GOP controlled legislatures that insisted on tough regulations relative to counting votes, ie. Pennsylvania Republican legislature insisted that no mail in votes be touched until all votes cast on Election Day be counted. Same thing in Michigan and a few others, all controlled by GOP legislatures.

Interesting, if true. However, how do you explain Florida? Doesn't fit your premise does it? Florida had no problem getting their count done expeditiously.

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Wrong some state allows no observers

it's determined by their legislators....but regarding partisan observers it appears all state do allow it and 41 states require certification of those observers

Partisan Observers. Commonly known as poll watchers, these party people are deployed to do two things: report to their party headquarters about who has voted and who still needs a “nudge” to vote, and watch for any missteps in election processes. They’ve been in use for at least 100 years as a way to promote election integrity, with the idea that if both parties are watching, it’s much harder for either to tamper with the votes. Virtually all states govern how many watchers a party can send to each polling place, and at least 41 states have some kind of accreditation process for them.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Kerry Azz

We are all frustrated, not depressed though. Don’t worry it’ll be over soon.

Unfortunately, it won't be over for years. A house divided can not stand!

[Doug526]

National Rules for All National Elections.
Not State Rules that can all be different.
Make it easy to go and vote, count as entered into machine,
No mater where the machine is located.
If a Voter goes to a machine to vote, they should first should ID to that machine before Ballot appears.
Place them in Secure areas in, maybe banking locations.

[Byte1]

20 states do not require any form of ID to vote.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Interesting, if true. However, how do you explain Florida? Doesn't fit your premise does it? Florida had no problem getting their count done expeditiously.

Florida law allows for counting well before Election Day.

Discussions are not getting that each state has different laws and regulations for the counting of votes

In addition, Florida actually sped up the counting, by law, because of COVID

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by Doug526

National Rules for All National Elections.
Not State Rules that can all be different.
Make it easy to go and vote, count as entered into machine,
No mater where the machine is located.
If a Voter goes to a machine to vote, they should first should ID to that machine before Ballot appears.
Place them in Secure areas in, maybe banking locations.

then you'll need a constitutional amendment.

The Constitution grants the states the power to set voting requirements

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Marine1974

Remember the fake dossier presented to a FISA court judge
to spy on a candidate in the last
election by a dirty FBI paid for by a certain political party . I believe a certain political party would stop
at nothing to win an election . Now is the time to audit votes , recount votes and get to the bottom of election fraud for all Americans . This is not Venezuela.
Make the folks that perpetuated a crime as an example with heavy
prison sentences and fines as an example. It’s important , Americans need to know if a crime was committed or not . We need to rid our government of corruption.

Too many conspiracy theories can have a devastating effect on a person's mind. The older we get the harder it is to differentiate between truth and propaganda. Good luck!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by maggie1

So, what would you call it if not voter suppression and/or racism? The Post Master General is replaced by a billionaire that had no experience in postal operations, and the first thing he does is eliminate great number of sorting machines. Do you think that slows the process? How about a number of states limiting the number of drop off boxes? You think that might be akin to voter suppression? I know that I'd find it too inconvenient if I had to drive eight to gen miles in my county to drop off my vote at the only drop box in the county. This is especially problematic in the poorer sections of the community, where many people must rely on public transportation to get around.

Good solid and factual post. Kudos.

[Byte1]

There is ALWAYS some form of voter fraud. I can remember just a few years ago where a guy in one of the Southern states voted three times and was arrested when found out. In states that do not require any form of ID to vote, there is always someone that is found to be voting for his/her parents or another relative. I am still registered in another state after being here for ten years. My father is still registered in another state and he has been deceased for a decade. That state does not require any form of identification. You just tell them your name and address and they look it up on the computer to prove that a person with that name and address is registered.
For those that say that investigations have been completed with no evidence of voter fraud, that is not correct. However, many states have refused access to officials coming from outside of the state to perform an investigation for voter fraud. If one cannot investigate, it is very difficult to prove an accusation. It is also hard to prove voter fraud without voter ID. It is also interesting when bags of ballots disappear or suddenly appear in a trunk of a car. Apparently, it is only one side of that feels that there is no voter fraud. This argument has been rehashed over and over again after every election. Last time it was the "Russians are coming" where they were accused of fixing the election for one candidate. Another accusation was of interfering with the election. One party believes in BIG conspiracies involving espionage with voter suppression and the other party believes simply in voter fraud.
The party that does not believe in voter fraud, also does not believe in requiring ID. Their excuse is racist. They insist that minorities are too inept to obtain a photo ID and are disenfranchised.

[Tom2172]

Florida counted 43 million votes on election night
Why didn’t all the states do it?
Elections with out transparency and poll watchers are fraudulent

Mail in ballots were put out for voting fraud and that’s what we got everyone knew it
Trump warmed about it for months

Now we have an election determined by party operatives counting votes behind closed doors with no poll watchers no cameras no transparency

Jospeh Stalin said elections are meaningless it’s the people that count the votes that decide election -

We need a total revote of the election with voter ID, poll watchers , cameras etc
Full transparency everyone should be for free and open elections!
Without games being played

Revote on a Saturday polls open 24 hours fully staffed it can be done!

[Dgodin]

Originally Posted by jacksonbrown

Hey you'll, this discussion doesn't have to be "political", so let's not make this about one party or another. Do not mention the "D" word or "R" word, nor the "B" word or the "T" word.

Because, doing so will get this thread deleted.

This is about our political process, defined by the Constitution of the United States with a preamble

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Please read this twice (or more). Pay particular attention to the concepts enumerated within the parentheses.

With that in mind, let's discuss voter fraud.

You first.

I volunteered as a poll watcher this election at the Lady Lake Library. I did not see evidence of any voter fraud or attempts at voter fraud. In addition, I saw that the poll workers were professional and helpful in their interactions with voters. I found especially that the clerks (location supervisor) were especially inclined to help voters resolve problems and cast legal ballots. I left my volunteer service optimistic about the future of our country.

[Kilmacowen]

Originally Posted by Dgodin

I volunteered as a poll watcher this election at the Lady Lake Library. I did not see evidence of any voter fraud or attempts at voter fraud. In addition, I saw that the poll workers were professional and helpful in their interactions with voters. I found especially that the clerks (location supervisor) were especially inclined to help voters resolve problems and cast legal ballots. I left my volunteer service optimistic about the future of our country.

I also was a poll volunteer , equal dem and repub workers and watchers. Also security cameras everywhere. Any slight question about a ballot both supervisors were called over. I also gave permission for background check to be a volunteer. .

[Bonnevie]

in 2016 Wisconsin was won by only 22,745 votes: Michigan was won by only 10, 704 votes; PA by 44,292 (if current %s hold up Biden should exceed that)

the ONLY talk of voter fraud was by the winners who claimed there must be fraud because of their failure to win the popular vote. many, many people voted by mail, but the only fraud talk associated with it was regarding the popular vote not being in the winner's favor. in fact, a commission was appointed to much fan fare, then more more quietly disbanded when no evidence could be found.



the loser did not demand recounts, did not suggest fraud, and accepted the results after I'm sure considering all options.

so one wonders why fraud is such a topic of discussion this year