Actually, Sweden’s per capita death rate from covid-19 is higher than the US, 36 per 100K versus 27 in the US.

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[Villages Kahuna]

I’ll leave it to you to you to become an infected individual in the herd that will supposedly flatten the curve. For me, at my age and condition, infection would almost certainly be the end-of-the-line. I’ll leave it to you young-uns to slow down the virus that threatens the rest of us. Go for it!

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by theruizs

Actually, Sweden’s per capita death rate from covid-19 is higher than the US, 36 per 100K versus 27 in the US.

Actually, I noted this in the original post. The point in comparing the two countries is that both deaths and cases follow the exact same curve. One had lockdowns, masks etc and one didn't. This shows that something else is at work.

[Villages Kahuna]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

... If this virus was that deadly we would know it. People would be dropping like flies and if that was happening no one would have to order them to stay inside of their houses.

People are dropping like flies but so far lots of people are refusing to admit it...or admit to their mortality. In the last 24 hours the number of reported cases increased by 5% in Florida. And that daily rate is increasing.

The pandemic has gotten beyond us as the result of some people placing economics over science. I say “some people” because it doesn’t take very many to spread and re-spread a highly contagious virus like COVID-19.

[rmd2]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Florida surge started early June, almost 1 month ago. CDC puts time from symptoms to death at average of 14 days.

This chart graphs new cases vs deaths offset by 14, 21, and 28 days

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This graph is excellent and shows how even tho cases are going up, deaths are going down. I like the the fact that the deaths offset by 14 thru 28 days still arrive at about the same low level. Perhaps the virus is dying out.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

People are dropping like flies but so far lots of people are refusing to admit it...or admit to their mortality. In the last 24 hours the number of reported cases increased by 5% in Florida. And that daily rate is increasing.

The pandemic has gotten beyond us as the result of some people placing economics over science. I say “some people” because it doesn’t take very many to spread and re-spread a highly contagious virus like COVID-19.

No, they are not dropping like flies. Do you not see the chart above for Florida? Cases are going up but they are young people who don't die. Every time I make a post like this I try to say cases going up, deaths going down, but old people should not drop their guard because the young and asymptomatic can infect you.

Then I get a comment like "enjoy your ventilator"

[rlcooper70]

Gottlieb is saying ... end of the year .... not sure how those numbers work but he's been right on about this since January - so there is some hope.

[Joe C.]

So many of these theories and predictions are from reported numbers that are being applied to population numbers. DO THE MATH???

Herein lies the fallacies of these predictions. Why? Because we are individuals with different immunities and resistance to various diseases or sickness. The health of each person is different....the activities and even personal hygiene practices are different.

So how can a reasonable person believe in these predictions? I think that things can be generalized, but accuracy??

Take everything with a grain of salt. Just because you heard it on the news or saw it on the internet, ........ There are so many people out there who are INCAPABLE of a cohesive, independent thought.
'Nuff said.

[ithos]

The death count from the Red Wuhan Virus should also include those caused by the draconian measures taken to slow the spread including increased drug overdoses, suicides, delayed or cancelled medical treatments, loss of medical insurance, exploding government debt and the collapse of our GDP.

It is pretty selfish to only be concerned about the most direct threat to your health while ignoring the consequences to others from the government mandated retardation of our economy and liberties.

Great leaders such as our Governor understand this and is constantly evaluating all of the data with an holistic approach. That is why we have had so much more success in protecting the most vulnerable unlike in New York where an incompetent Governor committed manslaughter on a grand scale by forcing infected patients back into nursing homes.

[Jacob85]

It is right that herd immunity can only really be achieved if you cannot get it again and some people have gotten it again. I don’t really want to be one of those sacrificed people nor do I want my friends and family to be one.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by ithos

The death count from the Red Wuhan Virus should also include those caused by the draconian measures taken to slow the spread including increased drug overdoses, suicides, delayed or cancelled medical treatments, loss of medical insurance, exploding government debt and the collapse of our GDP.

It is pretty selfish to only be concerned about the most direct threat to your health while ignoring the consequences to others from the government mandated retardation of our economy and liberties.

Great leaders such as our Governor understand this and is constantly evaluating all of the data with an holistic approach. That is why we have had so much more success in protecting the most vulnerable unlike in New York where an incompetent Governor committed manslaughter on a grand scale by forcing infected patients back into nursing homes.

I don't think that was manslaughter. That would be akin to someone putting a bomb in a nursing home and then acting all innocent and surprised when the bomb went off and killed people.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Jacob85

It is right that herd immunity can only really be achieved if you cannot get it again and some people have gotten it again. I don’t really want to be one of those sacrificed people nor do I want my friends and family to be one.

See post #4, the reinfection reports have been proven false by several newer studies.

[Byte1]

Some folks do not need to worry about COVID19 killing them. Stress is going to be what kills them. I do not know anyone that is sick or caught it. I do not know of any reports of anyone even near me catching it. And I believe that if I do catch it by some fluke, I will survive it. I have never had the flu and never had the flu shot. I can't remember the last time I had a cold. So, I do not plan to live the last decade or two of my life worrying about what MIGHT happen. If a store says I have to wear a mask, I do it. I don't do it because I am afraid. I also pick up cucumbers, tomatoes and fruit to inspect it before purchasing. I have always washed produce when I get home. We learned that when living overseas. Some folks on here ARE going to die from COVID19. It will be COVID 19 that they are stressing about when their heart bursts and they fall over. It won't be an infection that gets them. Every person I know of that has thought they had the virus, ended up testing negative. Some folks get sick and it may not be virus related.
I hope they will come up with a vaccine for the virus soon, but I have no intention of getting it. I will leave it for those less healthy folks to submit to.
Like I said before, wear your mask if you wish....or not. Makes no difference to me. Placebos do work for some folks, and that is fine with me. But, there are some that will complain no matter what you do to suit their fancy. I'd rather live a shorter happy life than live a long miserable life like some. Pardon me while I go sniff some parsley and sample a few cherries. Don't worry, I'll wash my hands when I get home.

[jklfairwin]

Unfortunately, the only thing we know for sure about coronavirus and Covid19 is that we really don't know anything yet. There are new studies constantly being published, usually not peer-reviewed, and many are contradictory. Each person must make their own evaluation, hopefully, based on scientific information, but we should all be very cognizant of the welfare of others as well as ourselves, and no one is harmed by taking extra precautions.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Some folks do not need to worry about COVID19 killing them. Stress is going to be what kills them. I do not know anyone that is sick or caught it. I do not know of any reports of anyone even near me catching it. And I believe that if I do catch it by some fluke, I will survive it. I have never had the flu and never had the flu shot. I can't remember the last time I had a cold. So, I do not plan to live the last decade or two of my life worrying about what MIGHT happen. If a store says I have to wear a mask, I do it. I don't do it because I am afraid. I also pick up cucumbers, tomatoes and fruit to inspect it before purchasing. I have always washed produce when I get home. We learned that when living overseas. Some folks on here ARE going to die from COVID19. It will be COVID 19 that they are stressing about when their heart bursts and they fall over. It won't be an infection that gets them. Every person I know of that has thought they had the virus, ended up testing negative. Some folks get sick and it may not be virus related.
I hope they will come up with a vaccine for the virus soon, but I have no intention of getting it. I will leave it for those less healthy folks to submit to.
Like I said before, wear your mask if you wish....or not. Makes no difference to me. Placebos do work for some folks, and that is fine with me. But, there are some that will complain no matter what you do to suit their fancy. I'd rather live a shorter happy life than live a long miserable life like some. Pardon me while I go sniff some parsley and sample a few cherries. Don't worry, I'll wash my hands when I get home.

I agree with you. I'd be extra careful though, they think the T-cell immunity that some have (possibly double the number of asymptomatics) comes from immunity systems that have previously been exposed to coronaviruses like the common cold.