[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Bucco

We are becoming a 3rd world country.

Think we are there, not becoming. How many countries have seen a January 6 in their history ? A few, but not many.[/QUOTE]

Apparently, doing this at the state level at gov buildings doesn't matter---- just at the federal building. BUT, now you have cops that are so worried about losing their jobs and possibly going to jail, that they are afraid to perform their duties. Felony entry by force into a federal building should warrant lethal force. The same lethal force if someone forced themselves into my home. Not to get off subject but those thugs/felons were at the Capitol building way before the rally, so we know this was not an agitated response, but a premeditated felony crime not even related to the rally.
Someone else also brought up that members of congress are arming themselves. D.C. has the strictest gun laws in the country. Other than law enforcement, no one can carry a weapon legally. I guess members of congress are exempt from the law.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Think we are there, not becoming. How many countries have seen a January 6 in their history ? A few, but not many.

Apparently, doing this at the state level at gov buildings doesn't matter---- just at the federal building. BUT, now you have cops that are so worried about losing their jobs and possibly going to jail, that they are afraid to perform their duties. Felony entry by force into a federal building should warrant lethal force. The same lethal force if someone forced themselves into my home. Not to get off subject but those thugs/felons were at the Capitol building way before the rally, so we know this was not an agitated response, but a premeditated felony crime not even related to the rally.
Someone else also brought up that members of congress are arming themselves. D.C. has the strictest gun laws in the country. Other than law enforcement, no one can carry a weapon legally. I guess members of congress are exempt from the law.[/QUOTE]
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Would appreciate you linking me to, or at least telling me where you have seen the citizens of a country attack their own nations capital......then break into elected officials offices and steal......and of course one of the scenes that will stay with me forever...that of these people beating police officers into the ground with hockey sticks, that and the scene where fire extinguishers are thrown at officers. By the way, this from folks who "say" they defend police.

And such attack based on lies...NO truths all validate lies. They were motivated to this outrageous behavior by lies....NOT one truth.

Please....I know of nowhere where folks like you defend such actions.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Apparently, doing this at the state level at gov buildings doesn't matter---- just at the federal building. BUT, now you have cops that are so worried about losing their jobs and possibly going to jail, that they are afraid to perform their duties. Felony entry by force into a federal building should warrant lethal force. The same lethal force if someone forced themselves into my home. Not to get off subject but those thugs/felons were at the Capitol building way before the rally, so we know this was not an agitated response, but a premeditated felony crime not even related to the rally.
Someone else also brought up that members of congress are arming themselves. D.C. has the strictest gun laws in the country. Other than law enforcement, no one can carry a weapon legally. I guess members of congress are exempt from the law.

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Would appreciate you linking me to, or at least telling me where you have seen the citizens of a country attack their own nations capital......then break into elected officials offices and steal......and of course one of the scenes that will stay with me forever...that of these people beating police officers into the ground with hockey sticks, that and the scene where fire extinguishers are thrown at officers. By the way, this from folks who "say" they defend police.

And such attack based on lies...NO truths all validate lies. They were motivated to this outrageous behavior by lies....NOT one truth.

Please....I know of nowhere where folks like you defend such actions.[/QUOTE]




Where was all the horror when the retired cop attempting to protect his store was shot and killed. How about the policemen attacked and some shot in their squads by”protesters”. How about all the businesses ransacked and products stolen by “protesters”? How about the people terrorized by all the rioter, oops... I mean “ protesters” this past summer? Typical selective report here of the facts. And, yes, there is that faction in DC that waits for the opportunity to cause trouble no matter who is president and this was their opportunity to sneak into action.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Aces4

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Would appreciate you linking me to, or at least telling me where you have seen the citizens of a country attack their own nations capital......then break into elected officials offices and steal......and of course one of the scenes that will stay with me forever...that of these people beating police officers into the ground with hockey sticks, that and the scene where fire extinguishers are thrown at officers. By the way, this from folks who "say" they defend police.

And such attack based on lies...NO truths all validate lies. They were motivated to this outrageous behavior by lies....NOT one truth.

Please....I know of nowhere where folks like you defend such actions.

Where was all the horror when the retired cop attempting to protect his store was shot and killed. How about the policemen attacked and some shot in their squads by”protesters”. How about all the businesses ransacked and products stolen by “protesters”? How about the people terrorized by all the rioter, oops... I mean “ protesters” this past summer? Typical selective report here of the facts. And, yes, there is that faction in DC that waits for the opportunity to cause trouble no matter who is president and this was their opportunity to sneak into action.[/QUOTE]

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I recall lots and lots of horror, in addition to about 5 times more arrested.

It was horrible, but not a coup against my country.

Not based on LIES....PROVEN LIES

This was NOT a protest or a demonstration. It was an attempted coup...it was sedition

Suggest you do some reading from the FBI, etc. To find the true horror of what happened and what was the intent.

If you are using "how about" ism to justify an attempted take over, you definitely have a problem.

Unfortunately, at my age, this memory will last forever and I suppose it should. I cannot imagine how this explained to children or grandchildren.

Jan 6 will long live.....versus 9/11, the differences are awesome. From the leader of the coup to the ignoring of the coup members constant theme of patriotism and respect for police....the constant talking about law and order which appears to just be about the ongoing con job.

Things, events, etc based on lies are really scary

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Joe C.

In today's environment, with all the "peaceful protests" going on, I think a law forbidding the wearing of any face covering while "protesting" would be illegal, with extremely stiff penalties.

I think that it would tame these events, and make things truly more peaceable.

I disagree that it would make the protests or riots more "peaceable". Those "protests" are more planned out in advance than we realize, they are not spontaneous occurrences. Plus it could NOT be enforced. People want to keep their freedom of speech and expression. Plus they can wear gas masks to hide their faces if they want. Or hoods, dark glasses, and hats pulled down to their eyes.
......Plus, you don't want any more of a "super spreader" event because they can then bring back the CV to potentially kill you, your friends, or your loved ones. Masks can NEVER be eliminated as long as there are large numbers of anti-vaxxers around. There are so many reasons that that is a non-starter!

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Apparently, doing this at the state level at gov buildings doesn't matter---- just at the federal building. BUT, now you have cops that are so worried about losing their jobs and possibly going to jail, that they are afraid to perform their duties. Felony entry by force into a federal building should warrant lethal force. The same lethal force if someone forced themselves into my home. Not to get off subject but those thugs/felons were at the Capitol building way before the rally, so we know this was not an agitated response, but a premeditated felony crime not even related to the rally.
Someone else also brought up that members of congress are arming themselves. D.C. has the strictest gun laws in the country. Other than law enforcement, no one can carry a weapon legally. I guess members of congress are exempt from the law.

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Would appreciate you linking me to, or at least telling me where you have seen the citizens of a country attack their own nations capital......then break into elected officials offices and steal......and of course one of the scenes that will stay with me forever...that of these people beating police officers into the ground with hockey sticks, that and the scene where fire extinguishers are thrown at officers. By the way, this from folks who "say" they defend police.

And such attack based on lies...NO truths all validate lies. They were motivated to this outrageous behavior by lies....NOT one truth.

Please....I know of nowhere where folks like you defend such actions.[/QUOTE]

This whole incident is still under investigation. From what I have read there is evidence that this raid on the Capitol was preplanned and many of the people who gained entry into the capitol were masked. 99.9% of the people in DC that day went there to show support for the members of Congress seeking to block the certification from happening. Whether you or I or anyone else agrees with them is irrelevant. They were there peacefully which is probably why they were not afraid to show their faces.

There is video of at least one guard opening up the door to the Capitol and waving people in. They entered as tourists, walked around taking pictures, some of them sat down on benches to relieve their tired feet and suddenly the crazy stuff started to happen.

Trump had offered federal assistance with security and the DC Mayor turned him down. The capitol police had asked their chief for backup well in advance of the demonstration and they were denied. Everyone knew there was going to be a crowd in DC that day. Instead of demonizing the demonstrators who were there peacefully, ask why the door was held open. Ask why there was not adequate security in town that day and around the Capitol. Ask who is responsible for this. Let the investigation into what happened and who was responsible to conclude before rushing to judgement. Well, oops, too late for that ain't it?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

The Capitol installed metal detectors after the January 6 insurrection of the Capitol, obviously for the safety of everyone entering. But of course some members of Congress acted as though they were immune to the new rules and simply bypassed the detectors. Maybe they were “carrying”, maybe not. But the House set the rules that will likely cause those that thought they were above the law to reconsider. The penalty for House members who bypass the detectors is $5,000 for the first offense, $10,000 for the second, to be automatically deducted from their House paychecks.

My guess is the metal detectors will be uniformly used. I think the country needs a similar federal statute requiring the use of facemasks. It would benefit us all and foreshorten the pandemic.

I agree. Kudos!

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

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Would appreciate you linking me to, or at least telling me where you have seen the citizens of a country attack their own nations capital......then break into elected officials offices and steal......and of course one of the scenes that will stay with me forever...that of these people beating police officers into the ground with hockey sticks, that and the scene where fire extinguishers are thrown at officers. By the way, this from folks who "say" they defend police.

And such attack based on lies...NO truths all validate lies. They were motivated to this outrageous behavior by lies....NOT one truth.

Please....I know of nowhere where folks like you defend such actions.

This whole incident is still under investigation. From what I have read there is evidence that this raid on the Capitol was preplanned and many of the people who gained entry into the capitol were masked. 99.9% of the people in DC that day went there to show support for the members of Congress seeking to block the certification from happening. Whether you or I or anyone else agrees with them is irrelevant. They were there peacefully which is probably why they were not afraid to show their faces.

There is video of at least one guard opening up the door to the Capitol and waving people in. They entered as tourists, walked around taking pictures, some of them sat down on benches to relieve their tired feet and suddenly the crazy stuff started to happen.

Trump had offered federal assistance with security and the DC Mayor turned him down. The capitol police had asked their chief for backup well in advance of the demonstration and they were denied. Everyone knew there was going to be a crowd in DC that day. Instead of demonizing the demonstrators who were there peacefully, ask why the door was held open. Ask why there was not adequate security in town that day and around the Capitol. Ask who is responsible for this. Let the investigation into what happened and who was responsible to conclude before rushing to judgement. Well, oops, too late for that ain't it?[/QUOTE]

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1. Would appreciate a link to "what you have read".

2. Did you listen, watch or read the press conference yesterday ?

3. This link is important.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...6d6_story.html

4. While there is much much more to come from investigation, it sounds like someone is blowing smoke at you. That is why I really need to see your links. Some of what you say has "partial" truth, but leaves out so very very much.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by danglanzsr

I am puzzled by the requirement that members of Congress and their staff are required to disarm before entering the congressional spaces. Certainly, anyone intending to enter the space with the intent to kill congress members will ignore the metal detectors and enter the chamber fully armed. Then the only people in the room will be the evil doer. Perhaps you can explain how this is beneficial to the intended victims. Thank you. BTW, one congresswoman has already entered the chambers fully armed and not been fined or arrested.

The Secret Service Agents are armed and capable of protecting Congress in normal times - Jan 6th was an outlier - a cluster (self-censored) that should NEVER be repeated due to increased awareness and better security perimeters. The majority of the Congresspeople do NOT want a few highly polarized trigger-happy hot-heads bullying and intimidating the non-armed members who are concerned and need to concentrate on working on the over-all US problems.

[Gulfcoast]

To set the record straight. The metal detectors were installed directly after the incident at the Capitol on the 6th. A young Congresswoman from Colorado arrived at the Capitol the next morning and discovered the metal detectors in place. She refused to open her purse for security, not to be rude or defiant, but for her own safety reasons. She had been in the Capitol the day before and had felt threatened. She had seen videos of the door being held open by a guard. She thought it unwise to send a loud message to the world that the members of Congress are unarmed, sitting ducks.

I totally get why she did what she did and I support her.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

To set the record straight. The metal detectors were installed directly after the incident at the Capitol on the 6th. A young Congresswoman from Colorado arrived at the Capitol the next morning and discovered the metal detectors in place. She refused to open her purse for security, not to be rude or defiant, but for her own safety reasons. She had been in the Capitol the day before and had felt threatened. She had seen videos of the door being held open by a guard. She thought it unwise to send a loud message to the world that the members of Congress are unarmed, sitting ducks.

I totally get why she did what she did and I support her.

That's an interesting spin on the interaction the Congresswoman had with security. I'm pretty sure (but don't feel like tracking down now) that this spin doesn't align with the Congresswoman's own explanation of her actions.

Oh, and if I read it correctly, the magnetometers were installed the evening of 1/12 or the morning of 1/13 and NOT "directly after the incident."

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by Bucco

This whole incident is still under investigation. From what I have read there is evidence that this raid on the Capitol was preplanned and many of the people who gained entry into the capitol were masked. 99.9% of the people in DC that day went there to show support for the members of Congress seeking to block the certification from happening. Whether you or I or anyone else agrees with them is irrelevant. They were there peacefully which is probably why they were not afraid to show their faces.

There is video of at least one guard opening up the door to the Capitol and waving people in. They entered as tourists, walked around taking pictures, some of them sat down on benches to relieve their tired feet and suddenly the crazy stuff started to happen.

Trump had offered federal assistance with security and the DC Mayor turned him down. The capitol police had asked their chief for backup well in advance of the demonstration and they were denied. Everyone knew there was going to be a crowd in DC that day. Instead of demonizing the demonstrators who were there peacefully, ask why the door was held open. Ask why there was not adequate security in town that day and around the Capitol. Ask who is responsible for this. Let the investigation into what happened and who was responsible to conclude before rushing to judgement. Well, oops, too late for that ain't it?

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1. Would appreciate a link to "what you have read".

2. Did you listen, watch or read the press conference yesterday ?

3. This link is important.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...6d6_story.html

4. While there is much much more to come from investigation, it sounds like someone is blowing smoke at you. That is why I really need to see your links. Some of what you say has "partial" truth, but leaves out so very very much.[/QUOTE]

Please don't link the Washington Post as a legitimate news source. They are not.

I am waiting for the results of the investigation conclude.

Editing to add: I lived in the DC area for years. And the idea that a crowd of unarmed demonstrators could force their way into the Capitol is not ringing true to me at all. Especially post 9-11. Something does not add up.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

What we need, is insurrectionists to be shot the second they breech federal buildings.

I would have tried to shoot them in the leg if I could. So, I half agree. They needed to be STOPPED and put in prison. I would have tried to NOT kill them! I think that attack dogs might have been appropriate in that situation also.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I would have tried to shoot them in the leg if I could. So, I half agree. They needed to be STOPPED and put in prison. I would have tried to NOT kill them! I think that attack dogs might have been appropriate in that situation also.

The problem is, most of the people inside were LET in. They were there like tourists, not to raise hell. You think a guy on crutches and a little old lady stormed in there?

There had to be an inside element to this. Be sure that you are not just looking at MSM for your information.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by 72lions

I believe you are incorrect. The $$ fines you reference are to enforce mask wearing after Republican House members refused to wear or accept masks while sequestered in close quarters.

And about 3 came down with CV immediately after. That was very sad and pathetic. Man's inhumanity to man!